Trade Rumors Involving the Jazz

[Saint Cy of JFC]

We could get that deal tomorrow if we wanted based on the rumors. I think we'd get a little asset on the top.

Well then, I have no idea. I just really doubt Atlanta is going to give up assets to get off Collins just to get Vando/Beasley. I just havent been able to form any strong opinion on Collins. I dont see all that much talent, but he is probably OK? Just based off my lack of strong opinion I probably wouldnt do it unless you are getting the thing on top, but that just seems wild on Atlanta's part unless another team is involved and they are getting more win now pieces. Maybe something where Sexton is moved to a 3rd team and they send a player to ATL and a future asset to Utah, IDK.

 

[Elizah Huge]

Neither. Those are all stars and I want support from the 3rd frontcourt guy. Draymond and Mobley are the closest but they cannot shoot or space.

SFs are much more ball dominant species and I want an off ball guy, since I want Lauri and the 2 future guards to all have the ball as much as possible, with Kessler and the 5th guy acting more as screeners and target players.

I want a 2nd star (hopefully one even better than Lauri) but he needs to be a backcourt player.

We do not need to limit ourselves to it being a backcourt player.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I also think there is a potential three-team deal with Phoenix out there. I think Atlanta could potentially get away with not giving up a pick if they took Crowder/Saric back while Phoenix got Beasley/Vando while sending a pick our way.

My favorite variation is just getting the SAC first they own. I would even swap the PHI/BKN pick for that if it came down to it.

I agree there could be a three team scenario out there. I would not swap the Philly pick for the Kings pick though. It has some solid protections on it and I will never bet on the Kings being competent over the long term. Fox has had some wild swings year to year as well so I could see that pick turning into two seconds... its not likely but its the kings ya know.

 

[Ron Mexico]

Atlanta and Toronto are teams I want the Jazz talking to a lot. Actually there are a bunch of seemingly desperate teams right now and we are in a good position to take advantage.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Well then, I have no idea. I just really doubt Atlanta is going to give up assets to get off Collins just to get Vando/Beasley. I just havent been able to form any strong opinion on Collins. I dont see all that much talent, but he is probably OK? Just based off my lack of strong opinion I probably wouldnt do it unless you are getting the thing on top, but that just seems wild on Atlanta's part unless another team is involved and they are getting more win now pieces. Maybe something where Sexton is moved to a 3rd team and they send a player to ATL and a future asset to Utah, IDK.

Their challenge is they want to duck the tax next year... will be difficult to rely on cap space teams to dump Collins... so they really need a team with expirings now. Beasley gives them insurance if Bogey opts out and leaves. If he opts in you can waive Beasley... Vando is a wonky fit... which is why I could see it actually being KO and Beasley for Holiday and Collins. I would want one of the following:

- a swap with the Philly pick for the Atlanta pick (they could top 8 or so protect it but I'd want the Kings pick if their pick fell in the protections).
- the kings pick.
- they take Gay instead of Vando or KO and they also give a couple seconds.

I don't think the fit with the starters is awesome.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Atlanta and Toronto are teams I want the Jazz talking to a lot. Actually there are a bunch of seemingly desperate teams right now and we are in a good position to take advantage.

Ujiri does not get taken advantage of though. I think you watch Toronto but would be surprised if they gave away value in a panic move (they are very flush with cash too).

 

[Elizah Huge]

I agree there could be a three team scenario out there. I would not swap the Philly pick for the Kings pick though. It has some solid protections on it and I will never bet on the Kings being competent over the long term. Fox has had some wild swings year to year as well so I could see that pick turning into two seconds... its not likely but its the kings ya know.

The protections aren’t that bad in my opinion.

 

[Ron Mexico]

I really want the jazz to push for Murray and Collins. They need to make a move. I'll offer them anything besides Lauri, Kessler and Ochai plus picks. Maybe this year's worst 1st, and either two more protected or one more unprotected. Too much too little?

 

[Ron Mexico]

Ujiri does not get taken advantage of though. I think you watch Toronto but would be surprised if they gave away value in a panic move (they are very flush with cash too).

I agree with that, but players are not happy right now there. But maybe it's just a coaching change that needs to happen and some small trades or fair trades. They just seem like a good trade partner with us.

 

[Elizah Huge]

OG is getting overrated right now. I wouldn’t do much more than an unprotected first and a protected first for him.

 

[Elizah Huge]

OG has played 43 and 48 games the last two seasons. He could potentially be a 1.5 year rental. Not sure why any team would line up to pay two unprotected firsts+ for him.

 

[seattlejazzfan]

OG has played 43 and 48 games the last two seasons. He could potentially be a 1.5 year rental. Not sure why any team would line up to pay two unprotected firsts+ for him.

and he's a suspect shooter. pretty good defender, but nothing to write home about. not a playmaker at all. completely meh about him. i'd take him if i'm buying low. two unprotected firsts, hell to the no.