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KqWIN said:
I mean....what are we really talking about here? Am I missing something, or is this blatantly obvious?

Do we think freshman are good and ranked because we believe they will declare....or do we believe some freshman will declare because they are good and ranked high....wtf is this conversation lmao. I'm pretty sure Brandon Miller is ranked high because he's really good and not because he's really certain to declare.
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I really don’t know what you’re arguing. It’s pretty simple to understand from an outside point of view in this argument.

If Bailey gets get reports and feedback from NBA teams saying he’s likely a late first rounder or early second rounder and he’s cool with that he will probably declare. If he doesn’t then he will return.

Big boards and mock drafts have zero impact on his decision. Actual intel from NBA teams does.
 
Elizah Huge said:
I really don’t know what you’re arguing. It’s pretty simple to understand from an outside point of view in this argument.

If Bailey gets get reports and feedback from NBA teams saying he’s likely a late first rounder or early second rounder and he’s cool with that he will probably declare. If he doesn’t then he will return.

Big boards and mock drafts have zero impact on his decision. Actual intel from NBA teams does.
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What you're saying is exactly why I'm confused. Bailey's decision is going to be based on his draft stock more than anything else. Of course intel from actual teams is going to mean most. That has never been contested. What has been contested is whether a player's decision creates the draft stock or if draft decision creates the draft stock. You have it exactly right. The decision comes after his draft stock which is exactly what I've been saying.

What Saint is saying is that his draft stock is being determined by his decision. I literally proposed the question of why is JHS ranked so much higher than Bailey and the response was because Bailey might not declare.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Mocks and big boards are based on who people will think declare.

I don't get why this is a hard concept to understand. If you need some examples, look at Josh Primo. No one thought he was declaring. People thought of him as having upside for future drafts. He goes to the combine and declares (take a wild guess why, some NBA team(s) gave him positive feedback) and he suddenly starts getting ranked on boards/drafts. It's how this **** works bud.

Of course Miller is ranked. He is the star of his team and out performing expectations.

Amari Bailey is seen as a talented young guy with upside who plays behind a bunch of upperclassmen. Everyone thinks he is going back because it makes logical sense. If he went to the combine and got positive feedback from teams that say he could be a first then declared, Mocks/Boards will change to reflect that.
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Your implication is that the difference between two players is simply their declaration status. I'm sorry but that is ****ing stupid. Why do you think people believe JHS will declare and Bailey will not? We don't know their draft decision.

I guarantee you anyone (besides yourself apparently) that has JHS ranked higher than Amari Bailey is because they think JHS is a better player. That's kinda how this thing works.
 
Bawse Dawg said:
Uh, maybe you should read the posts you respond to.





Tell me how that’s a relevant response? Because that’s what my question was. If you can’t do that, why aren’t you reading the posts you respond to while also criticizing me for doing the same thing?
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Your so gullible mcfly lol don't believe handjob or has no huge, these clowns are never right.
 
Let me put it this way. If the difference between Amari Bailey and JHS is that there is a belief that Amari won't declare and JHS will. How did they come to that assumption? Do people make rankings based on their assumptions on whether a player will declare or not or do they make their assumptions based on where they would them?

This isn't a mock draft versus true intel conversation. This is a conversation about why people think JHS is better than Amari Bailey. If people thought Bailey was better a player, they would think he would declare. That's ****ing obvious.
 
KqWIN said:
What you're saying is exactly why I'm confused. Bailey's decision is going to be based on his draft stock more than anything else. Of course intel from actual teams is going to mean most. That has never been contested. What has been contested is whether a player's decision creates the draft stock or if draft decision creates the draft stock. You have it exactly right. The decision comes after his draft stock which is exactly what I've been saying.

What Saint is saying is that his draft stock is being determined by his decision. I literally proposed the question of why is JHS ranked so much higher than Bailey and the response was because Bailey might not declare.
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That is where you’re getting confused. He is not saying his draft stock is being determined by his decision. He is saying he would appear on more big boards and mock drafts if people knew he was going to declare or does declare.
 
Elizah Huge said:
That is where you’re getting confused. He is not saying his draft stock is being determined by his decision. He is saying he would appear on more big boards and mock drafts if people knew he was going to declare or does declare.
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Why are other freshman ranked higher? That's a legit question with what should be an obvious answer. How did people come to the conclusion that other freshman are ranked higher? This goes for any two players really, doesn't even have to be freshman. Usually when a prospect comparison is brought up, the talking points are usually how good they are and not whether they will declare or not. You rank one player higher than the other if you think they are better. That's how big boards work.

That is why I'm confused when the response to X is higher than Y because draft declaration status. Is Saint trying to say that Bailey is under the radar? If Bailey came out today and said I am one or done no matter what, it would have no impact on his big board status. He is ranked where he is because that's how people perceive how good he is. The reason people don't think he will declare is because they don't think he's a top 30 (or whatever prospect). They aren't excluding him in the top 30 because they don't think he will declare. JHS didn't rise because people know he will declare, he rose because of his play and people think he will declare because of his play.
 
KqWIN said:
Why are other freshman ranked higher? That's a legit question with what should be an obvious answer. How did people come to the conclusion that other freshman are ranked higher? This goes for any two players really, doesn't even have to be freshman. Usually when a prospect comparison is brought up, the talking points are usually how good they are and not whether they will declare or not. You rank one player higher than the other if you think they are better. That's how big boards work.

That is why I'm confused when the response to X is higher than Y because draft declaration status. Is Saint trying to say that Bailey is under the radar? If Bailey came out today and said I am one or done no matter what, it would have no impact on his big board status. He is ranked where he is because that's how people perceive how good he is. The reason people don't think he will declare is because they don't think he's a top 30 (or whatever prospect). They aren't excluding him in the top 30 because they don't think he will declare. JHS didn't rise because people know he will declare, he rose because of his play and people think he will declare because of his play.
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Some people might not have him on their big boards or mock drafts if they think he’s definitely not declaring.
 
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