2023 NBA Draft Megathread

[KqWIN]

NBA teams will tell him what his stock is.

OK.....and do you think he will skyrocket if he tells them, I'm for sure declaring? I don't even know what you're trying to say here. Are you saying that NBA teams have him much higher than NBA teams?

His decision is based on his stock, his stock is not based on his decision. If someone, anyone, says JHS is much better is not because they believe JHS will declare and Bailey will not. That's not logical at all.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Going back to school is not a great way to improve draft stock IMO. There will be a few who increase their stock, but most do not. I believe the NBA has become more lenient and allows players to talk with teams more easily to understand their draft stock to make a better decision....If I was a second rounder and I was confident in a team that wanted me I would declare.

Bailey was a really popular high school player, however, so he might be making more money playing at UCLA in the meantime.

Now that there is NIL money if I was him I’d likely stay in school unless a team would use a pick earlier in the second round and commit an actual nba contract and not a two way. I think some of these guys get cast aside pretty quickly and run out of options real fast. Making money, finishing a degree, having infrastructure to develop, and a fan base like UCLA may provide future opportunities by sticking around. It wouldn’t all be about draft stock.

If he can get an actual nba contract guaranteed for a year plus then I’d consider going… but even then nba teams seem to have low patience and you could end up in the g league or in Europe real quick.

 

[KqWIN]

Now that there is NIL money if I was him I’d likely stay in school unless a team would use a pick earlier in the second round and commit an actual nba contract and not a two way. I think some of these guys get cast aside pretty quickly and run out of options real fast. Making money, finishing a degree, having infrastructure to develop, and a fan base like UCLA may provide future opportunities by sticking around. It wouldn’t all be about draft stock.

If he can get an actual nba contract guaranteed for a year plus then I’d consider going… but even then nba teams seem to have low patience and you could end up in the g league or in Europe real quick.

I think that's fair. Going back to school for draft stock is a an uphill climb, but there are other reasons besides draft stock to stay. For me, the chance to be the NBA would be enough because there's no guarantee he gets that chance again. But it's a personal decision.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I think that's fair. Going back to school for draft stock is a an uphill climb, but there are other reasons besides draft stock to stay. For me, the chance to be the NBA would be enough because there's no guarantee he gets that chance again. But it's a personal decision.

I'd want as much runway as possible to stick in the league. A guy like Andrew Nehmbhard (sp?) being ready to play right away is a big benefit and dude has made some money. I'd obviously re-evaluate it in a year and it would depend what the state of the program... but in his case I think I'd stick unless I thought I was getting a true NBA deal or was a late first round guy.

 

[KqWIN]

I'd want as much runway as possible to stick in the league. A guy like Andrew Nehmbhard (sp?) being ready to play right away is a big benefit and dude has made some money. I'd obviously re-evaluate it in a year and it would depend what the state of the program... but in his case I think I'd stick unless I thought I was getting a true NBA deal or was a late first round guy.

Personally, I feel like he's good enough to just flat out declare. He's a first round bubble guy IMO. But it seems as though consensus on him is that he's a undrafted bubble guy.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

OK.....and do you think he will skyrocket if he tells them, I'm for sure declaring? I don't even know what you're trying to say here. Are you saying that NBA teams have him much higher than NBA teams?

His decision is based on his stock, his stock is not based on his decision. If someone, anyone, says JHS is much better is not because they believe JHS will declare and Bailey will not. That's not logical at all.

I'm saying big boards and mocks don't matter

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Big boards and mocks are just guesses. They aren't actual factual information.

 

[NUMBERICA]

The Jazz would 100% draft Miller at #3

60% chance they draft him #2.

 

[KqWIN]

I'm saying big boards and mocks don't matter

No board, mock, or NBA team has Amari Bailey ranked lower than another player because they don't think he will declare.

 

[KqWIN]

I mean....what are we really talking about here? Am I missing something, or is this blatantly obvious?

Do we think freshman are good and ranked because we believe they will declare....or do we believe some freshman will declare because they are good and ranked high....wtf is this conversation lmao. I'm pretty sure Brandon Miller is ranked high because he's really good and not because he's really certain to declare.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I mean....what are we really talking about here? Am I missing something, or is this blatantly obvious?

Do we think freshman are good and ranked because we believe they will declare....or do we believe some freshman will declare because they are good and ranked high....wtf is this conversation lmao. I'm pretty sure Brandon Miller is ranked high because he's really good and not because he's really certain to declare.

Mocks and big boards are based on who people will think declare.

I don't get why this is a hard concept to understand. If you need some examples, look at Josh Primo. No one thought he was declaring. People thought of him as having upside for future drafts. He goes to the combine and declares (take a wild guess why, some NBA team(s) gave him positive feedback) and he suddenly starts getting ranked on boards/drafts. It's how this **** works bud.

Of course Miller is ranked. He is the star of his team and out performing expectations.

Amari Bailey is seen as a talented young guy with upside who plays behind a bunch of upperclassmen. Everyone thinks he is going back because it makes logical sense. If he went to the combine and got positive feedback from teams that say he could be a first then declared, Mocks/Boards will change to reflect that.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Similar but different **** with Tyler Kolek. He's the prototypical slightly undersized white college star. Everyone thinks he is going back, so that thought process is going to show in big boards. If he declared he would probably be in most people's top 60.

 

[Elizah Huge]

I mean....what are we really talking about here? Am I missing something, or is this blatantly obvious?

Do we think freshman are good and ranked because we believe they will declare....or do we believe some freshman will declare because they are good and ranked high....wtf is this conversation lmao. I'm pretty sure Brandon Miller is ranked high because he's really good and not because he's really certain to declare.

I really don’t know what you’re arguing. It’s pretty simple to understand from an outside point of view in this argument.

If Bailey gets get reports and feedback from NBA teams saying he’s likely a late first rounder or early second rounder and he’s cool with that he will probably declare. If he doesn’t then he will return.

Big boards and mock drafts have zero impact on his decision. Actual intel from NBA teams does.

 

[KqWIN]

I really don’t know what you’re arguing. It’s pretty simple to understand from an outside point of view in this argument.

If Bailey gets get reports and feedback from NBA teams saying he’s likely a late first rounder or early second rounder and he’s cool with that he will probably declare. If he doesn’t then he will return.

Big boards and mock drafts have zero impact on his decision. Actual intel from NBA teams does.

What you're saying is exactly why I'm confused. Bailey's decision is going to be based on his draft stock more than anything else. Of course intel from actual teams is going to mean most. That has never been contested. What has been contested is whether a player's decision creates the draft stock or if draft decision creates the draft stock. You have it exactly right. The decision comes after his draft stock which is exactly what I've been saying.

What Saint is saying is that his draft stock is being determined by his decision. I literally proposed the question of why is JHS ranked so much higher than Bailey and the response was because Bailey might not declare.

 

[KqWIN]

Mocks and big boards are based on who people will think declare.

I don't get why this is a hard concept to understand. If you need some examples, look at Josh Primo. No one thought he was declaring. People thought of him as having upside for future drafts. He goes to the combine and declares (take a wild guess why, some NBA team(s) gave him positive feedback) and he suddenly starts getting ranked on boards/drafts. It's how this **** works bud.

Of course Miller is ranked. He is the star of his team and out performing expectations.

Amari Bailey is seen as a talented young guy with upside who plays behind a bunch of upperclassmen. Everyone thinks he is going back because it makes logical sense. If he went to the combine and got positive feedback from teams that say he could be a first then declared, Mocks/Boards will change to reflect that.

Your implication is that the difference between two players is simply their declaration status. I'm sorry but that is ****ing stupid. Why do you think people believe JHS will declare and Bailey will not? We don't know their draft decision.

I guarantee you anyone (besides yourself apparently) that has JHS ranked higher than Amari Bailey is because they think JHS is a better player. That's kinda how this thing works.

 

[Eddie Zero]

Uh, maybe you should read the posts you respond to.





Tell me how that’s a relevant response? Because that’s what my question was. If you can’t do that, why aren’t you reading the posts you respond to while also criticizing me for doing the same thing?

Your so gullible mcfly lol don't believe handjob or has no huge, these clowns are never right.

 

[KqWIN]

Let me put it this way. If the difference between Amari Bailey and JHS is that there is a belief that Amari won't declare and JHS will. How did they come to that assumption? Do people make rankings based on their assumptions on whether a player will declare or not or do they make their assumptions based on where they would them?

This isn't a mock draft versus true intel conversation. This is a conversation about why people think JHS is better than Amari Bailey. If people thought Bailey was better a player, they would think he would declare. That's ****ing obvious.

 

[Elizah Huge]

What you're saying is exactly why I'm confused. Bailey's decision is going to be based on his draft stock more than anything else. Of course intel from actual teams is going to mean most. That has never been contested. What has been contested is whether a player's decision creates the draft stock or if draft decision creates the draft stock. You have it exactly right. The decision comes after his draft stock which is exactly what I've been saying.

What Saint is saying is that his draft stock is being determined by his decision. I literally proposed the question of why is JHS ranked so much higher than Bailey and the response was because Bailey might not declare.

That is where you’re getting confused. He is not saying his draft stock is being determined by his decision. He is saying he would appear on more big boards and mock drafts if people knew he was going to declare or does declare.

 

[Bawse Dawg]

Your so gullible mcfly lol don't believe handjob or has no huge, these clowns are never right.

Did you use a random word generator for this post? Literally incoherent.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Your so gullible mcfly lol don't believe handjob or has no huge, these clowns are never right.

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