Mock Draft 3.0 (Full Draft)

[fishonjazz]

How certain people acting

I dont think anyone is acting like that. I think everyone understands that some teams will be healthier and some less healthy and some will have internal improvement and some will get worse internally. I think we are just discussing the jazz this season vs next season.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I think there is an in-between area: Jazz make a modest FA signing, then rent the cap space for some future-facing assets. Simultaneously, they are trying to win games, Walker and/or Ochai likely get noticeably better, team is more gelled, there is more depth, and trade rumors might not be popping off all year either.

And like, straight up, what if the Jazz just have a tier-1 front office and developmental staff now? Not one player was a disappointment last year while there were CRAZY developmental wins (Lauri, Kessler, Ochai, THT, Dunn). If this organization just shed its skin as a thoroughly 2nd tier organization and became a thoroughly 1st tier? If they hit on their picks this year? I think we’re sniffing 50 wins with room to grow.

It could go either way but I think they have a jump this year.

Put yourself in Danny's shoes... as he looking at ways to use his enormous cap flexibility is he getting hard looking at getting Evan Fournier and 4 second round picks?

I think they look big difference makers first. Then look at youngish mid tier guys to sign to deals in the 10-25M range. At the draft I can see them taking on John collins or Bertans or Robinson to move up from 28-late lotto... or to move from 16 to 10 with the Mavs.

The part of this plan is going after guys like OG or Murray and using the cap space to sign them to extensions their current teams cannot offer.

If all of this falls through... and no FA will take our money... and no trades materialize... then we rent out our space for a middling return. That is the darkest timeline and is what would lead us to ending up with 25-30ish wins based on how healthy we are or aren't.

 

[Bawse Dawg]

@Bawse Dawg go ahead and ask me any questions you like and I will answer them (you acted upset that I didn't address your points so this your opportunity to get me to if you want to). As for your answer to my first question:

I’m not trying to convince anyone of anything. Just stating possible scenarios. I put many reasons why it’s possible the Jazz are not as good as expected next season, and I felt they were logical points. But you didn’t address them.

Yes, the Jazz made tanking moves that cost them some wins in the second half of the season. We agree on that. None of the points I made were addressed. Do you disagree with them? Do you not feel they are applicable to our situation? It’s just weird to have a conversation where only one person is addressing points the other is making.

 

[whatthe]

I think they are lowering expectations and want to be in a opportunity seeking mode as long as possible.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

How certain people acting

Who? If you asked me if we are closer to 26/36/46 I think its 36 for sure. I also don't think the FO is dumb enough to do another year of hoping for tank lite as you are projecting.

Does that mean they go all-in? Nope... but again they will be opportunistic and if the best opportunities are "we collected ****** contracts for some mediocre draft assets" well that is a pretty catastrophic fail.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I think they are lowering expectations and want to be in a opportunity seeking mode as long as possible.

they aren't gonna try and make fetch happen... is how I read the stuff they have said and done. So they aren't sending all those picks out to get Beal or some spendy vet. I think they will be patiently aggressive... if the right opportunities come they will be really aggressive... if not they will be patient. Patience to me would mean looking for guys they can get that are part of the future and/or on good tradeable contracts. Maybe they collect some draft assets but I doubt that is number 1 on the priority list with what we already have.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Is @Jingled up with Toronto?

 

[Jingled]

And that's the most likely scenario.

I don't agree...I think we're going to be better than that.

 

[Jingled]

I'm going to take Jordan Hawkins.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

@Thee Idiotic Minivan K you up

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

@Thee Idiotic Minivan K you up

Just logged on. I’ll pick soon

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

Wow!! Orlando got a steal!!