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Saint Cy of JFC said:
Listening to Locke he brought up a point that Dame's salary is so large it might be hard to trade just from a logistics standpoint and Utah has an advantage there. I wonder if you could get Dame for fairly cheap (9th pick this year, Wolves 2025 pick, Cavs 2025 pick) and whatever is necessary for salary filler (Locke said something like it might be possible to send partial salary to the Blazers and use the rest of the cap-room, but he wasnt sure if that worked per CBA) but if it did work, I would give them Sexton (sorry just not going to be super useful to have Sexton when you got Dame playing at least 30 MPG). So that's 3 premium draft picks and 1 good young player on a fair contract. Per recent trades that's an underpay for Dame, but it's good value if they cant anything anywhere else.

You would still have the picks after 2025 to retool after the Dame era and create a new version of the team around Lauri.


Draft Gregory Jackson Jr at 16 and be happy.

And isnt Cooper Flag the 2025 draft? That's a super high stakes draft if he is. That would be my selling point to the Blazers.
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no, he's 2026 assuming they still aren't allowing HS kids to go straight to the league - or has it already been decided that they can? either way, he was a sophomore this past season so he's HS class of 2025.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Listening to Locke he brought up a point that Dame's salary is so large it might be hard to trade just from a logistics standpoint and Utah has an advantage there. I wonder if you could get Dame for fairly cheap (9th pick this year, Wolves 2025 pick, Cavs 2025 pick) and whatever is necessary for salary filler (Locke said something like it might be possible to send partial salary to the Blazers and use the rest of the cap-room, but he wasnt sure if that worked per CBA) but if it did work, I would give them Sexton (sorry just not going to be super useful to have Sexton when you got Dame playing at least 30 MPG). So that's 3 premium draft picks and 1 good young player on a fair contract. Per recent trades that's an underpay for Dame, but it's good value if they cant anything anywhere else.

You would still have the picks after 2025 to retool after the Dame era and create a new version of the team around Lauri.


Draft Gregory Jackson Jr at 16 and be happy.

And isnt Cooper Flag the 2025 draft? That's a super high stakes draft if he is. That would be my selling point to the Blazers.
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So the issue is that is how Dames contract should be viewed… but what ends up happening is teams get blinded by “it’s DAME LILLARD!!!”. Like last year… Rudy’s contract should have been a bigger drag on his trade value but we still got a premium price.

Now with the new CBA it will basically be so restrictive to be a team like the Warriors or Clippers so teams may pause a bit if the Dame deal projects to throw them over the second apron.

It sounds like Dame ain’t getting out unless he pushes for it so I doubt we get a discount.
 
seattlejazzfan said:
no, he's 2026 assuming they still aren't allowing HS kids to go straight to the league - or has it already been decided that they can? either way, he was a sophomore this past season so he's HS class of 2025.
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No chance he can reclassify? Dude looks like he could play in the NBA now. Going to be a freak
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
So the issue is that is how Dames contract should be viewed… but what ends up happening is teams get blinded by “it’s DAME LILLARD!!!”. Like last year… Rudy’s contract should have been a bigger drag on his trade value but we still got a premium price.

Now with the new CBA it will basically be so restrictive to be a team like the Warriors or Clippers so teams may pause a bit if the Dame deal projects to throw them over the second apron.

It sounds like Dame ain’t getting out unless he pushes for it so I doubt we get a discount.
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Danny can get him to push it?
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Danny can get him to push it?
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Dame is his own dude. I doubt he is influenced by Danny… I’m sure his peers have tried very hard to influence him and they’d have way more clout.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Dame is his own dude. I doubt he is influenced by Danny… I’m sure his peers have tried very hard to influence him and they’d have way more clout.
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Peers can influence, but Danny can give Dame a plan and one that is in Utah, which allows him to stay on his brand.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Listening to Locke he brought up a point that Dame's salary is so large it might be hard to trade just from a logistics standpoint and Utah has an advantage there. I wonder if you could get Dame for fairly cheap (9th pick this year, Wolves 2025 pick, Cavs 2025 pick) and whatever is necessary for salary filler (Locke said something like it might be possible to send partial salary to the Blazers and use the rest of the cap-room, but he wasnt sure if that worked per CBA) but if it did work, I would give them Sexton (sorry just not going to be super useful to have Sexton when you got Dame playing at least 30 MPG). So that's 3 premium draft picks and 1 good young player on a fair contract. Per recent trades that's an underpay for Dame, but it's good value if they cant anything anywhere else.

You would still have the picks after 2025 to retool after the Dame era and create a new version of the team around Lauri.


Draft Gregory Jackson Jr at 16 and be happy.

And isnt Cooper Flag the 2025 draft? That's a super high stakes draft if he is. That would be my selling point to the Blazers.
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I actually like this a lot. If Portland has Simons, Sharpe and presumably Scoot I’m not sure they would want Sexton. If Scoot goes 2nd I could see them wanting Sexton. They might want Ochai instead if they drafted Scoot.
 
Elizah Huge said:
I actually like this a lot. If Portland has Simons, Sharpe and presumably Scoot I’m not sure they would want Sexton. If Scoot goes 2nd I could see them wanting Sexton. They might want Ochai instead if they drafted Scoot.
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Sexton is just an asset. If they really wanted the deal done, the prize is the picks, so not sure Sexton vs Ochai is enough for them to haggle.
 
As per the CBA, Jazz would either have to match Dame's salary (the traded players salaries 125% would have to be equal or more than Dam's salary) if they go over the tax-payer limit, or trade enough players to not go over the salary cap. Jazz can stay below the tax (absorbong Dames salary so that they can still sign the players they draft this year) if they trade Rudy Gay, plus either Sexton or Markkanen, plus either Olynyk or THT, plus either Agbaji or Fontecchio.
 
Swuul said:
As per the CBA, Jazz would either have to match Dame's salary (the traded players salaries 125% would have to be equal or more than Dam's salary) if they go over the tax-payer limit, or trade enough players to not go over the salary cap. Jazz can stay below the tax (absorbong Dames salary so that they can still sign the players they draft this year) if they trade Rudy Gay, plus either Sexton or Markkanen, plus either Olynyk or THT, plus either Agbaji or Fontecchio.
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I have no idea what you’re talking about but I do know we could take Dame’s salary on by just trading Sexton. That includes everyone opting into their player options and picking up KO’s option.

If we wanted to re-sign Clarkson we would have to trade whatever salary he signs for.

The less players that opt in the more room we could have as well. We could straight up take Dame without sending anything back if both Clarkson and THT opted out.
 
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