Missing offensive play

[Darkwing Duck]

true, along with a PORTION of the offense. they haven't gotten to everything yet, and they're going pretty slowly at installing the O because of all the young players and newer veterans.

Jazz have used the interior cross screen play more often in the past couple of games, for Favors and Jefferson. I think Kanter might have gotten that play a couple times, as well. I believe it was 4-cross under Sloan. Corbin does it a bit differently, though, Not doing it off the UCLA cut, rather having the PG give up to the wing and then crash to the screen. Doesn't allow for the screening small to get the ball off an option read by the wing with the ball, though, and there seems to be no option read if the big's defender denies the ball. Seems like you could use the unused offensive players to set up a double screen for the PG to get the ball at the top of the key as a secondary option.

 

[billyshelby]

What you're talking about is something we're already running. It's basic flex stuff. Devin dumps the ball on the the high post to Al, Favors, or Sap and runs through. They then watch for the series of cross screens along the baseline. The key to them working is the entry passes (down low). We've seen basically ZERO of those passes despite guys having been open. A lot of this is because the guys passing are nervous to throw it into traffic. It's a precision pass.

I think they'll get better at it, but the other problem is we're often not setting up to do this until the 15 second mark (way too slow). As a consequence, when it doesn't work (and it rarely does), we get guys running Iso's or (most of the time) jumpshots. What I personally don't understand is why we don't have a more immediate option after the initial sequence doesn't work to run a PnR (or alternatively, just start off more sets with PnR).

 

[franklin]

i'm not blaming jefferson -- i'm saying he's a poor passer and a poor decision maker. he is 5 or 10 times the low post scoring threat that ostertag ever dreamed of being, but ostertag understood the offense and knew how to read the coverage and make a decision from that spot. al can't even tell when he'll being cuadruple-teamed and three of his teammates are open.

If they ever are...

You seem to understand this stuff very well, alond with Jagasm, and surprisingly, DarkDuck. Why do you folks think they can't run it with the veterans they have, especially when Jazz did it with a first year here Elson? Shouldn't the two veteran point guards know precisely how to run it? Let alone CJ, Raja, and Millsap who have no excuse not to? Howard should understand the play by this point in his career as well, and since he's been the only guy in the Jazz' best five lineups I'd think he would be a good anchor for the flex.

 

[billyshelby]

If they ever are...

You seem to understand this stuff very well, alond with Jagasm, and surprisingly, DarkDuck. Why do you folks think they can't run it with the veterans they have, especially when Jazz did it with a first year here Elson? Shouldn't the two veteran point guards know precisely how to run it? Let alone CJ, Raja, and Millsap who have no excuse not to? Howard should understand the play by this point in his career as well, and since he's been the only guy in the Jazz' best five lineups I'd think he would be a good anchor for the flex.

Those guys ARE running it. You can question the screens they're setting, or how effective their cuts are, but if you watch tonight you will see Hayward/CJ/Howard flash open in the paint. You'll also see a screen to free up the big. THAT's the pass the high post option has to hit on the initial reads.

 

[NAOS]

Those guys ARE running it. You can question the screens they're setting, or how effective their cuts are, but if you watch tonight you will see Hayward/CJ/Howard flash open in the paint. You'll also see a screen to free up the big. THAT's the pass the high post option has to hit on the initial reads.

correcto.
https://www.nba.com/jazz/video/2012/01/03/0021100080_mil_uta_recap.nba/index.html
skip to 0:24

can someone give a decent explanation for why Jefferson didn't pass it to Hayward with Jackson dogging it on defense?

 

[billyshelby]

correcto.
https://www.nba.com/jazz/video/2012/01/03/0021100080_mil_uta_recap.nba/index.html
skip to 0:24

Good catch there NAOS. That particularly play also emphasizes something that has been lacking. On that play, Al misses Hayward coming through (just too tentative, or he may have been caught looking for Raja down low). Either way, Devin is a little slow, but he comes over to run the PnR which keeps the offense moving. All too often, we strand the post passing option without that PnR.

FWIW, there was also a play in the last game (I think) where Al tried to go inside to a cutter under the basket and the pass got stolen. Those are the kinds of passes that make the big guys nervous and only experience will cure the disease.

 

[franklin]

Those guys ARE running it.

Not now Selby. I'm talking to the three folks who understand the game.


You might want to understand what I wrote to Nerd before acting like such a bad *** and plucking the three letter word ARE out trying to pull some con that you know what you're talking about. Stay out of other peoples conversations TROLL.

 

[Darkwing Duck]

correcto.
https://www.nba.com/jazz/video/2012/01/03/0021100080_mil_uta_recap.nba/index.html
skip to 0:24

can someone give a decent explanation for why Jefferson didn't pass it to Hayward with Jackson dogging it on defense?

You see how open Hayward is on that cut? And how the offense stagnates after that? So frustrating. But what do you do when you run the play and the big refuses to try and make a pass that isn't even that precision of a pass.

And that looks like the flex and not the 1-4 UCLA offense. You can get the big the ball at the top in either set, but the 1-4 UCLA is toward the wing a few sets.

The flex can get the bigs 16-20 foot jump shots at the elbow, too. Kanter will be told to start shooting that shot soon, I imagine.

 

[NAOS]

Not now Selby. I'm talking to the three folks who understand the game.


You might want to understand what I wrote to Nerd before acting like such a bad *** and plucking the three letter word ARE out trying to pull some con that you know what you're talking about. Stay out of other peoples conversations TROLL.

lol

 

[Darkwing Duck]

Good catch there NAOS. That particularly play also emphasizes something that has been lacking. On that play, Al misses Hayward coming through (just too tentative, or he may have been caught looking for Raja down low). Either way, Devin is a little slow, but he comes over to run the PnR which keeps the offense moving. All too often, we strand the post passing option without that PnR.

FWIW, there was also a play in the last game (I think) where Al tried to go inside to a cutter under the basket and the pass got stolen. Those are the kinds of passes that make the big guys nervous and only experience will cure the disease.

Memory tells me they were facing the other basket, so that play happened in the third quarter. I remember telling the TV that it was one of those acceptable turnovers, and that play will still be available.

The other problem I've mentioned is that when the interior pass IS made, it's usually Bell who gets it down there, since he is seemingly the only one the bigs can find on that baseline cut, and Bell can't do anything with it. Miles got it once in six games, and got to the line.

 

[billyshelby]

Memory tells me they were facing the other basket, so that play happened in the third quarter. I remember telling the TV that it was one of those acceptable turnovers, and that play will still be available.

The other problem I've mentioned is that when the interior pass IS made, it's usually Bell who gets it down there, since he is seemingly the only one the bigs can find on that baseline cut, and Bell can't do anything with it. Miles got it once in six games, and got to the line.

Precisely what I'm saying. Our screens down there still need some work, but I'm regularly seeing Bell/Hayward/CJ flash, hands up, and then have to keep trucking because the bigs don't feel comfortable hitting that fast moving target. And yeah, I actually loved that turnover by Al for the same reason -- he recognized it, he tried, he just has to get sharper and more confident in it.

 

[billyshelby]

Not now Selby. I'm talking to the three folks who understand the game.


You might want to understand what I wrote to Nerd before acting like such a bad *** and plucking the three letter word ARE out trying to pull some con that you know what you're talking about. Stay out of other peoples conversations TROLL.

Ok, dude. I'm not calling YOU out with ARE. I'm just emphasizing that the wings aren't really the culprits in why the flex isn't working. I hope you're feelings are NOT hurt.