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Jazz trade for John Collins

Remember who said this is nothing more than a salary floor thing, and Mr. C will be holding the bag in street clothes, more than he is contributing to winning in Utah
 
Not sure if anyone else has mentioned this, but we actually need a contract like Collins' on our roster if over the next couple of years we want to be in the running to trade for a star. Otherwise we'd be looking at packaging together half our roster to make a move like that. Collins is probably overpaid, but on a team like ours that doesn't have any max salary players, a contract like this is good to have.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
It's funny to me people dislike this trade when they loved the Hendricks pick

Collins is the more talented version of Hendricks.
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Hendricks would project to be a stronger shooter.. I get thinking this is inconsistent but its not. If JC was on a one year deal or two year deal its a little more palatable. If we get some asset in the deal I am a little more in on it. The "duplication" factor is not a great thing but Taylor is a rookie.

Like I've liked PJ Washington but if you went and signed him now I wouldn't be enthused unless it was super cheap. Its not just about the player in a vacuum... its player, acquisition price, fit, etc. that makes me wishy washy.

Its not a deal I am like "this will never work out!". Its a deal I see the net cost and see some scenarios where it works out okay... but not a crazy high upside.

Like if you were going to do this I'd have been more bullish on going hard after FVV for a big contract.
 
Appears the Jazz are leaning into Lauri as a 3 to exploit a market inefficiency of 4/3s being a lower value than pure wings, and operating under the assumption that they can be played together with Utah's construct more than previously thought.

Have to think this theory was bolstered by Denver's championship run and then being the Western conference front runners. Jazz matchup extremely extremely extremely well vs the Nuggets now
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Hendricks would project to be a stronger shooter.. I get thinking this is inconsistent but its not. If JC was on a one year deal or two year deal its a little more palatable. If we get some asset in the deal I am a little more in on it. The "duplication" factor is not a great thing but Taylor is a rookie.

Like I've liked PJ Washington but if you went and signed him now I wouldn't be enthused unless it was super cheap. Its not just about the player in a vacuum... its player, acquisition price, fit, etc. that makes me wishy washy.

Its not a deal I am like "this will never work out!". Its a deal I see the net cost and see some scenarios where it works out okay... but not a crazy high upside.

Like if you were going to do this I'd have been more bullish on going hard after FVV for a big contract.
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People on the interwebs do not understand concepts such as net cost or opportunity cost. They just want to pwn so they don't get pwned.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Lauri's glow up was awesome... something like that may not happen again... I would not be chasing Lauri 2.0 glow up on guys.

Not sure that is the idea here but if it is... not a big fan.
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Has Collins ever had a real coach outside of Quin last year? Like, someone who would help him develop?
 
Keefe said:
I know what I said and stand by it but you’re being too literal. The general point is we are going to be a playoff caliber team or thereabouts which will give us hope but clearly have a ceiling that is not remotely that of a contender. It’s settling. Imo.

Maybe Collins will prove me wrong. Maybe he’s never had a real coach until Quin and Hardy will get a lot out of him. Idk. But this contract, while not awful, definitely restricts us going forward.
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What are you talking about? This contract does the opposite of restrict us. Either Collins proves himself to be a quintessential piece that's worthy of his contract, or he becomes the contract to make the math work when we cough up a bunch of our picks to acquire a superstar. The only thing on our books are moderate contracts and rookie contracts. The only one getting paid soon-ish is Lauri. We're good to go even if Collins is the 'fine' version. If he's the "great" version - well, that just gives us even more options.
 
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