As someone already suggested, Earl is the better PG and Harris the better athlete. Earl has far more PG skills than Harris: sees the floor better, far better passer, sets up the offense better, plays better man-to-man D. But his limited ability to shoot from outside probably limits him to being a backup PG, a very good one though. However, he could be the day-to-day starter as a facilitator on a very good team like Rondo with the Celtics. I'm all for trading Harris.
Earl Watson is better than Devin Harris
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NotDeadYet
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Watson and Tinsley are both better PG's than Harris, while Harris is the better athlete and draws more fouls going to the hoop. Being younger certainly helps. I would like to see coach Ty get Tinsley on the court more often; maybe tonight.
7StraightIsGreat
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Ok trade machine geeks, is there any way we can use Harris or our trade exception to get a pass first PG who might actually be available?
I'm fine with a 50/50 split of PG minutes with Harris and Watson.
Last night for a bit in crunch time we did see both out there with Burks, but I think that was mainly under full court pressure and they wanted to make sure they got the ball up the court.
Personally I like what Watson brings to the team better than Harris. Watson seems to see where players are going in advance and gets them the ball in better places to score. He had a beautiful pass to Sap last night that Sap was lucky to catch because he wasn't even looking for it. Sap still ended up scoring on that play. The only reason we got 2 points out of that was Sap's hands and quick reactions, and Watson's vision and beautiful pass. Jefferson would have fumbled it, CJ would have missed it, Favors/Kanter and everyone else would have had to think and would have been covered by then. Maybe Evans would have been able to make the catch and score it.
I'm rambling, I heart Watson, and I heart Milsap.
The end.
Last night for a bit in crunch time we did see both out there with Burks, but I think that was mainly under full court pressure and they wanted to make sure they got the ball up the court.
Personally I like what Watson brings to the team better than Harris. Watson seems to see where players are going in advance and gets them the ball in better places to score. He had a beautiful pass to Sap last night that Sap was lucky to catch because he wasn't even looking for it. Sap still ended up scoring on that play. The only reason we got 2 points out of that was Sap's hands and quick reactions, and Watson's vision and beautiful pass. Jefferson would have fumbled it, CJ would have missed it, Favors/Kanter and everyone else would have had to think and would have been covered by then. Maybe Evans would have been able to make the catch and score it.
I'm rambling, I heart Watson, and I heart Milsap.
The end.
HeavenHarris
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Earl Watson is better in this crap system, sure, but at the end of the day it's a crap system that won't win a championship so does that really make him "better"?
This is like saying Tim Tebow is better than Drew Brees, if they were both put in a read/wildcat option in the NFL.
This is like saying Tim Tebow is better than Drew Brees, if they were both put in a read/wildcat option in the NFL.
I like Harris.
That being said, if Watson makes the Jazz a better team when on the floor than Harris makes the Jazz, then Watson is a "better" player for the Jazz.
AI was a good scorer and an all star, but when he was traded to the Nuggets did he make them a better team? Just because you are a better player, doesn't mean you make your team a better team. When push comes to shove, basketball is a team sport, and teams that play as a team are better than the one on one teams. This is why Dallas beat Miami in the finals despite the huge amount of talent Miami has. This is why Denver has been a much better team after the Carmelo trade.
I like what Watson brings to the Jazz as a team.
I like what Harris can do as a player, and he also brings good things to the team.
It's okay to use them as needed in different situations to help the team win. They both bring different talents and looks to the team.
We have to accept what Harris can do, but it's smart to offset that with Watson.
Question for you all, and I don't know the answer but am curious.
Do the big men and wings cut more to the basket for Watson than they do for Harris?
Players know Watson will throw an alley oop, and they will cut to the basket ready for it.
What do they do when Harris has the ball? Where does he get it to them?
Is that when they look for the pass after they get ready in the post, or come off of a screen?
I will try to pay attention to that in the next game or two.
billyshelby
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I'm almost ready to agree with this. The thing is, Harris just needs to play faster. It's like he's trying to survey the field when he brings it up. Just get the ball up, make the first pass, and get in rhythm with the whole offense. I think Harris can still improve a lot, but Ty has to crack the whip.
That may be a product of the players on the floor with Watson vs. Harris. It seems to me (keep in mind, I have had limited opportunity to watch the Jazz this season so far) that Watson is on the floor with the more athletic players: Burks, Favors, Howard. Harris is in with Millsap, Big Al, Bell. They may be the "better" players right now (with the exception of Bell, who needs to be put out to pasture), but they aren't exactly the slash type players.
Because the system - and not having any ****ing talent - is the problem.
I'm sorry your crush doesn't know how to run a real offense and never has run one.
Why don't you **** off? As soon as your half-hearted and entitled hero from HEAVEN gets his *** traded you will. Which is just another reason to hope it happens.
I still believe in Harris as a top 15 starting PG, but he has to find some consistency. The game against the Grizzlies it seemed like he was playing at 75% speed and making lazy passes.
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Harris is more athletic.
Watson is a far better point guard.
Watson is always good for 2-3 alley-oop passes to Favors/Evans per game.
Harris is good for 2-3 selfish 1 on 5 shots per half.
Watson is a far better point guard.
Watson is always good for 2-3 alley-oop passes to Favors/Evans per game.
Harris is good for 2-3 selfish 1 on 5 shots per half.
cctrackstar
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Agreed
And Harris will never be as good as DWill was before he became a selfish shoot first 'superstar'.
I've said it before, but I really think that Harris is a somewhat more talented Ronnie Price. More of a combo guard, not a point guard. He can be valuable on the team if there is a passing 2 guard along side him. Fortunately we have two of these on the team.