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KqWIN said:
The Exum stuff makes sense, and it's also why I think these "desperation" arguments are just funny. Like isn't it obvious what we might be overlooking with Bilal? It's not that he's French, it's that he's raw as hell. Exum and Bilal were drafted for similar basketball reasons. If you were to tell me I'm overvaluing the physical tools, overlooking the rawness, and buying into the mystery hype too much. OK fair. That aligns. This French League = Poison stuff, yeah can't take that serious.

Some will say I'm glazing Bilal, but I'm simply saying there's a MUCH more reasonable argument against him lol.
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Buddy all the stuff you mentioned is extremely obvious on top of him playing in a league that churns out busts. He averaged 5-3-2 and he can’t shoot. There is no reason to even rehash that stuff.
 
KqWIN said:
I think with good health he would have been a good player anyways. But maybe that's my bias. I'm too optimistic about the physical tools and overlook how raw a guy is entering the league. I'm open to that...but I'm not overrating Bilal on the basis that he's French.
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Bilal has seizures when he has the ball in his hands, but he is Einstein when he does not and can react.
 
KqWIN said:
He played over 30 games for Ulm, just FYI. But who cares. Players are not the league they play in. If you cannot differentiate between prospects, I don't know what to tell ya. Wemby and Bilal played for the same team in the same year. That's way more relevant, and you know what, it means nothing. They are different players. And if you go back to my earlier posts, what does it even mean if French players have not been great? Gobert meant nothing for Frank. Frank means nothing for Bilal. French players were really good until they weren't. That can change really quickly and truthfully I don't think a player who was drafted for completely different reasons is a warning sign.
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I mean Booker means nothing to SGA and SGA means nothing to Herro... and Herro means nothing to Quickley... and Quickley means nothing to Fox... yet dumb draft people connect them for some reason. Why? Should we ignore that trend too?

Part of differentiating prospects for me would be looking at their production in the league they participate in and comparing it to the past. I'm sorry that is not something new or novel. Over the last 10 or so years it hasn't just been the French league that has produced some rough prospects. Low usage, low production, wings from outside college basketball in general is not something that has a whole of success attached to it. Its a very speculative pick... and while I am fine with risk... in the top 10 the risk outweighs the reward imo. If Wemby did not exist Bilal would not have been taken top 10 imo. I think his stock got a bit overheated.
 
stitches said:
That and the injuries.... at the worst possible moments. Remember when Favors was saying everybody was amazed by Dante's development before the second big injury... What could have been... we will never know.

Yep, there are real basketball reasons to be skeptical of Bilal... and there are real basketball reasons to be intrigued by him.

I thought 9 was probably too high... he was never going to drop to 16... but if he was there I would have been OK with picing him there. I guess we will see in due time how he develops. Either way I don't have a strong opinion either way. This year I didn't have the time to watch all the prospect too much so... my opinions on them are very mild in general and I'm very open to being wrong on any of them. Weirdly enough... I think I've watched Bilal and Wemby more than anyone else in the draft....
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I think I also watched Bilal+Wemby more than anyone else....but I thought Bilal was a lottery guy when he was still in the baby league. His physical tools were so obvious and I don't think you get that type of athlete outside the lottery very often. Honestly, what the senior team performance did for me was narrow the mystery. I thought his chances of being a star lessened, but his strong defense made me raise his floor. I've maintained that McDaniels/Herb Jones is his most likely outcome, but he does come with the potential for more and that's why he was a lotto pick. There was bound to be a lottery team that just says "**** it" and hope for the best. If you didn't want the Jazz to be that team, I get it, but that was their only chance to do it. Turns out they didn't even have the chance to do it.

Maybe these guys are overrated in general and the risk ends up not being worth it more often than not. But they are lotto guys nonetheless and it's not because they're French.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I mean Booker means nothing to SGA and SGA means nothing to Herro... and Herro means nothing to Quickley... and Quickley means nothing to Fox... yet dumb draft people connect them for some reason. Why? Should we ignore that trend too?

Part of differentiating prospects for me would be looking at their production in the league they participate in and comparing it to the past. I'm sorry that is not something new or novel. Over the last 10 or so years it hasn't just been the French league that has produced some rough prospects. Low usage, low production, wings from outside college basketball in general is not something that has a whole of success attached to it. Its a very speculative pick... and while I am fine with risk... in the top 10 the risk outweighs the reward imo. If Wemby did not exist Bilal would not have been taken top 10 imo. I think his stock got a bit overheated.
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Stop.

There's a huge common denominator with all those prospects. They all played for the same coach who has run the same archaic system all these years. These Kentucky teams have a constant that you cant point out in the French League.

Constants are what make scouting easier or harder. The more constants and fixed variables, the less you have to actually use your critical thinking skills to draw conclusions.
 
Dalen Terry is a big miss for me. (another Dante-ish lanky guard/wing) I thought he'd be good...
 
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