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Turkey's Erdogan says Hamas is not terrorist organisation, cancels trip to Israel

ANKARA (Reuters) -Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan, in his strongest comments yet on the Gaza conflict, said on Wednesday the Palestinian militant group Hamas was not a terrorist organisation but a liberation group fighting to protect Palestinian lands. NATO member Turkey condemned the civilian...
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str8line said:
Supporting Israel's continued assault on Gaza civilians is a huge mistake. If they want to bomb, starve and deny water and any form of medical care for millions including hundreds of thousands of children, it should be on them not us. Biden is ****ing up big time especially in light of Israel leadership's recent turn away from democracy.

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As US resists ceasefire calls, what is Biden’s endgame in Gaza?

The Biden administration says it is pushing to avoid regional escalation while fully backing Israel's bombing campaign.
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Setting aside for a moment that you're using a Hamas-related outlet as your source (both Hamas and Al Jazeera are Qatari state-sponsored and hosted), why do you see it as a mistake for Biden to be steadfast in his position?

As for democracy, Hamas was democratically elected with the stated primary objective being war with Israel. The people of Gaza voted for this. In free and fair elections, the people of Gaza voted into power the group who promised war with Israel. Their chosen government has delivered on their campaign promise. It is said "Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard.". Who are you to deny the people of Gaza?
 
Al-O-Meter said:
Setting aside for a moment that you're using a Hamas-related outlet as your source (both Hamas and Al Jazeera are Qatari state-sponsored and hosted), why do you see it as a mistake for Biden to be steadfast in his position?

As for democracy, Hamas was democratically elected with the stated primary objective being war with Israel. The people of Gaza voted for this. In free and fair elections, the people of Gaza voted into power the group who promised war with Israel. Their chosen government has delivered on their campaign promise. It is said "Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard.". Who are you to deny the people of Gaza?
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Gaza's populace is at the mercy of Hamas even though a majority did not vote for Hamas. Half of Gaza's population of 2.3 million are children. Israel are bombing children. Israel's disproportionate response is our response. We are viewed as one with Israel by the rest of the world. Bombing, starving and denying water, fuel or medical access to millions of people stuck within Gaza is not going to end well for the U.S. or Israel. Bibi's mistake is our mistake and we are letting him determine U.S. policy at this point.

This article tries to explain how Hamas came into power:

 
One Brow said:
After over 15 years without an election, there is no evidence that Hamas continues to represent the will of a Gazan majority, or even a significant minority.
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That is wishful thinking. Opinion polling is done all the time, even in Gaza. Both Hamas and Jews being eliminated from the river to the sea have broad majority support among those living in Gaza. I would be genuinely surprised if you could find a single public opinion poll of Gazans (not Palestinians, Occupied Territories, Arabs, etc.) conducted in the past 10 years that went the other way.
 
str8line said:
we are letting him determine U.S. policy at this point.
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The antisemitic trope of Jews controlling the world is so tired. The United States is on the side of the United States. Hamas would like to see us dead. They aren't hiding the ball on that. It is in our best interest to see the capabilities of Hamas degraded. There is zero benefit to the United States for letting Hamas survive.

Having the whole situation spiral into World War III would be bad for the United States, so we are placing enough deterrent in the region to keep that from happening.
 
Al-O-Meter said:
The antisemitic trope of Jews controlling the world is so tired. The United States is on the side of the United States. Hamas would like to see us dead. They aren't hiding the ball on that. It is in our best interest to see the capabilities of Hamas degraded. There is zero benefit to the United States for letting Hamas survive.

Having the whole situation spiral into World War III would be bad for the United States, so we are placing enough deterrent in the region to keep that from happening.
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Nothing antisemitic about calling out Joe for blindly following Bibi down this mistaken path. What is the point of putting a million children through this suffering? I haven't heard anything about actual attainable goals. Seems like it's just lopsided retribution.
 
str8line said:
Nothing antisemitic about calling out Joe for blindly following Bibi down this mistaken path. What is the point of putting a million children through this suffering? I haven't heard anything about actual attainable goals. Seems like it's just lopsided retribution.
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dude you're then not reading very widely
 
Douchebag K said:
dude you're then not reading very widely
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Well I have read about the tunnels. Is that the primary focus? They are going to need to occupy Gaza for a long time. Same for rooting out Hamas terrorists. I think retribution is Bibi's primary goal. And who pays for the colossal humanitarian crisis caused by this? The U.S.? And what of its long term impacts? Erdogan has already come out on the side of Hamas. Russia is using this as an excuse to drum up anti-American support. China will use it to hurt our world standing. Just wait until the images of starving children start flooding world press.
 
str8line said:
What is the point of putting a million children through this suffering?
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That is the question everyone should be asking Hamas and the majority of Gazans who support pursuing a war against Israel. Putting a million children through this suffering is what the majority of Gazans, in poll after poll after poll, and their elected government want for Gaza.
 
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