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Game Thread Nov 08, 2023 05:00PM MT: Jazz at Pacers

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The people who say at least JC scored a lot infuriate me. He took 26 shots to put up 30!! Had Lauri put up 26 shots he gets 40-50 points. JC is still IMO the main reason we lost this game. We had control of the game till JC decided to completely go off script and go kamikaze on offense. We had a 3-4 minute stretch mid way through the second quarter where he’d drive out of control and turn the ball over. He was awful plain and simple. I don’t care that he scored 30. He shot 26 times. Anyone can do that if anyone else had done what he did not named Lauri Markkanen would’ve been benched but he seems to have a never ending get out of jail free card.
 
Thee Idiotic Minivan K said:
The people who say at least JC scored a lot infuriate me. He took 26 shots to put up 30!! Had Lauri put up 26 shots he gets 40-50 points. JC is still IMO the main reason we lost this game. We had control of the game till JC decided to completely go off script and go kamikaze on offense. We had a 3-4 minute stretch mid way through the second quarter where he’d drive out of control and turn the ball over. He was awful plain and simple. I don’t care that he scored 30. He shot 26 times. Anyone can do that if anyone else had done what he did not named Lauri Markkanen would’ve been benched but he seems to have a never ending get out of jail free card.
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Few JC facts from last game:
  • He had a pass differential of -27 (he received 54 and made 27 passes). Lauri was +10 (29 to 39) and Keyonte -3 (57 to 54)
  • THT made 1 more pass than Clarkson while playing 14.2 less minutes (he was -1)
  • Only 7 of Clarksons 26 FGA came in late or very late clock (so within 7 last seconds). All others were early or average clock attempts.
  • His rim finishes were 7/9 which saved his shooting percentages big time. He was 5/17 from 5+ feet out
He was an absolute black hole, and shot clock aint no excuse for his volume. He also dribbled the clock down on some of the instances.
 
Lauri was 8/16 with 24 points. If you give him 10 more shots he’s definitely not getting 50 but likely ends up somewhere around 35-37.

Just kind of a weird thing to be mad about.
 
Elizah Huge said:
It’s hard for me to get upset at someone who scored 33 points on 26 shots when our creation is very limited at best right now.

I agree Lauri needs more touches but his self creation isn’t the best.
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His offensive efficiency rating is 16th in the NBA this season, even with an utter clown show around him. When you're that good at converting your opportunities into points, the ball simply needs to find you again and again.

And it's not like Lauri is getting spoon fed. Many of his makes are tough as hell.
 
Tremendous Upside said:
His offensive efficiency rating is 16th in the NBA this season, even with an utter clown show around him. When you're that good at converting your opportunities into points, the ball simply needs to find you again and again.

And it's not like Lauri is getting spoon fed. Many of his makes are tough as hell.
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He’s not getting spoon fed but I bet a very high % of his made shots are assisted.
 
Elizah Huge said:
He’s not getting spoon fed but I bet a very high % of his made shots are assisted.
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That's true, but it's also true for a surprising number of upper-tier stars in this league. Efficient volume scoring is the holy grail, and that's hard to do if you're "self-creating" all the time. As usage goes up, efficiency normally goes down. Only the best of the best can combine super high usage with super high efficiency.
 
Tremendous Upside said:
That's true, but it's also true for a surprising number of upper-tier stars in this league. Efficient volume scoring is the holy grail, and that's hard to do if you're "self-creating" all the time. As usage goes up, efficiency normally goes down. Only the best of the best can combine super high usage with super high efficiency.
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For sure. I’d like to see Lauri get more shots every game for sure. What people think should or act like should happen is we should give Lauri the ball every possession and get out of his way. That’s just not who he is at the moment and that’s perfectly fine.

He’s unequivocally our best player and I literally compared him to a 7’0 version of Klay Thompson who was the second best player on a championship team. I think he’s a top-25 player in the league as well. We just have to be honest and realistic.
 
Elizah Huge said:
For sure. I’d like to see Lauri get more shots every game for sure. What people think should or act like should happen is we should give Lauri the ball every possession and get out of his way. That’s just not who he is at the moment and that’s perfectly fine.

He’s unequivocally our best player and I literally compared him to a 7’0 version of Klay Thompson who was the second best player on a championship team. I think he’s a top-25 player in the league as well. We just have to be honest and realistic.
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Agree, but he also has to get the ball if he's open.
 
Elizah Huge said:
It’s hard for me to get upset at someone who scored 33 points on 26 shots when our creation is very limited at best right now.

I agree Lauri needs more touches but his self creation isn’t the best.
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Clarkson is one reason why our creation is very limited. He is just not a facilitator kind of player, it's not in him and has never been. Compare this to what we saw in Haliburton, it's night and day - Haliburton has his head up, looking around, when he moves with the ball whereas Clarkson's focus is entirely on himself alone doing iso. He is a cool dude, but in today's basketball, too limited to be given big minutes.
 
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