2023 NBA Draft Megathread

[SoberasHotRod]

I'm not sure I agree about Scoot being 4th in this way too early redraft. Probably should penalize him a bit more for being hot trash even compared only to other rookies.

• Leads all rookies in turnovers and personal fouls per game
• Leads the entire NBA in TO% with 25.0%
• has the worst BPM from all rookies who have recorded minutes as well as the worst on/off numbers (on/off is among the bottom of the entire league)
• has been horrible in live action shooting (FG% 36.5, 3P% 9.5) despite his FT fallling just fine

Even his defensive on/off has been negative. Not saying the dude is a bust (Blazers fans are having this debate already though)... but its just not a good start.

The Blazers are a better team without him on the floor. I do wonder if they gave him too much too fast, it will be interesting what his role looks like when he gets back from injury.

For me it's too reactionary to make any changes based on 10% of a rookie season. As bad as he's looked, he's also shown flashes, and it's hard to drop him too much when the other guys in his same tier that I think have star potential, haven't been any better offensively than him.

 

[fishonjazz]

I'm definitely open to criticism, so I could be wrong about a lot of stuff here.

When I've watched Dick he has looked pretty good. His defense has been not as horrible as I thought it would be and he has moved the ball and looked like he knows where to be on the court. I'll admit I've watched less of him than most of the other rookies. I also try not to overact to shooting numbers this early in the season, I fully expect Dick to be a great shooter. Also Toronto has about the same record I would expect them to have, despite continuing to play Dick minutes.

All certainly could be true. But that shooting, the thing he is supposed to be great at, is horrific. Would you agree that 27% and 21% is really really bad?

Just did a deeper dive into his stats. From what I can see, his advanced stats are really bad as well.

 

[HermanG]

The Blazers are a better team without him on the floor. I do wonder if they gave him too much too fast, it will be interesting what his role looks like when he gets back from injury.

For me it's too reactionary to make any changes based on 10% of a rookie season. As bad as he's looked, he's also shown flashes, and it's hard to drop him too much when the other guys in his same tier that I think have star potential, haven't been any better offensively than him.

Interesting is why you dont think Keyonte has star potential? What is it that Scoot has that Keyonte doesnt? He isnt even taller.

Key came into SL slimmer and faster than before, and showed up in a way no other rookie came close to matching. Then he made a massive leap as a passer/facilitator during his first offseason. Dude is special. You dont just pick up stuff like that in such a short time without being seriously savvy.

 

[Elizah Huge]

We were talking about a redraft in another thread and so I thought it would be fun to do one now that the season has started. So here is my way too early and reactionary 2023 Top 20 redraft:

Already studs
1. Wemby
2. Ausar

Showing flashes, but still rookies
3. Miller
4. Scoot
5. Amen
6. Bilal

Rotation level already
7. George
8. Wallace
9. Lively
10. Black
11. Dick
12. Hawkins

Older Players that should have gone sooner
13. Jaime
14. Strawther
15. Sasser

Still tons of potential, we just haven't seen it yet
16. Cam Whitmore
17. Jerace Walker
18. Taylor Hendricks
19. Kobe Bufkin
20. Jett Howard

George, Cason and Black are too low.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Scoot has also been kind of dookie.

 

[default]

I took some crap for saying we needed to move up for Ausar. I love his play so far and am feeling vindicated.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I took some crap for saying we needed to move up for Ausar. I love his play so far and am feeling vindicated.

Wild that is he 12th in rebounds per game at 6'6 while also playing with a huge front court. Him and Jrue are the only players under 6'7 in the top 40.

 

[SoberasHotRod]

All certainly could be true. But that shooting, the thing he is supposed to be great at, is horrific. Would you agree that 27% and 21% is really really bad?

Just did a deeper dive into his stats. From what I can see, his advanced stats are really bad as well.

Obviously he is currently shooting poorly, but his shooting form doesn't look bad and I expect those to start going in at some point. Anthony Black is shooting insane numbers right now, but his form still doesn't look great to me and I expect his numbers to go down. I'm not calling anyone a good shooter or bad shooter on less than 100 attempts.

I did go through and look at Dick's game logs and it appears I saw two of his better games.

 

[SoberasHotRod]

Interesting is why you dont think Keyonte has star potential? What is it that Scoot has that Keyonte doesnt? He isnt even taller.

Key came into SL slimmer and faster than before, and showed up in a way no other rookie came close to matching. Then he made a massive leap as a passer/facilitator during his first offseason. Dude is special. You dont just pick up stuff like that in such a short time without being seriously savvy.

At this point their careers everyone has star potential. I just think the players in front of him are on a different level with their length and athleticism. I might be overrating Scoot, but it's just too early for me to take him down too many spots. He was #2 on board pre-draft.

I absolutely love George and thought he could be great pre-draft as well. He will likely overtake a lot of players on that list eventually, but right now it's just too early for me.

 

[seattlejazzfan]

I took some crap for saying we needed to move up for Ausar. I love his play so far and am feeling vindicated.

i was consistent in having him above Amen - and i was a lone voice in the wilderness on that. despite the fact that missed on the thompson twins in general, i'll take that win.

 

[Elizah Huge]

At this point their careers everyone has star potential. I just think the players in front of him are on a different level with their length and athleticism. I might be overrating Scoot, but it's just too early for me to take him down too many spots. He was #2 on board pre-draft.

I absolutely love George and thought he could be great pre-draft as well. He will likely overtake a lot of players on that list eventually, but right now it's just too early for me.

I will admit I may have been wrong about Bilal at the current moment because it still is early but even then I would still take George over him.

 

[HermanG]

At this point their careers everyone has star potential. I just think the players in front of him are on a different level with their length and athleticism. I might be overrating Scoot, but it's just too early for me to take him down too many spots. He was #2 on board pre-draft.

I absolutely love George and thought he could be great pre-draft as well. He will likely overtake a lot of players on that list eventually, but right now it's just too early for me.

Thats fair. I just dont know what it is that Scoot is supposed to be better at, but whatever it is I cannot see it.

Keep in mind that my first real view of these guys is from Summer League. I dont get to follow college ball where I live and dont have time to scout all prospects on YT (nor would I be qualified to assess them on those settings).