Jazz vs Lakers - Why the Jazz need to lose.

[cowhide]

I am on the side of Green here. Now I don't agree with the idea of simply tanking for the purpose of tanking but I want the Jazz to play the young guys even more. AJ/CJ will not even be on the team in three years. It NEVER hurts to have more talent. Worse case scenario is that the Jazz can use some of their young guys "assets" to bring in the "it" guy or attract that type of player.

Playing the young guy gives them experience. They only get a loser mentality if they already have it. Effective coaching should keep guys from getting too down on themselves. I can tell you want erodes a player confidence is getting taken out of the game because it is time to put back a vet who isn't performing. I worry more about Kanter, Favors, and Burks might start thinking about getting theirs or start pressing because they know they are going to be replaced after a few minutes.

Playing AJ 40 minutes when he wasn't playing well does absolutely nothing for the future of the team. It didn't even bring us a win. So the Jazz get a few more wins lose their pick which could be 1-14 pick and GS could tank and get their pick this year. I can only imagine if we drafted KD and he had to sit two years on the bench because Sloan/Ty wanted him to earn it. I can only imagine if the Jazz were able to get two guys like Davis/MKG/Barnes/Drummond etc. with the guys we have. Then they could trade AJ/Harris and the Trade exception to get the player they need to lead the team.

 

[NUMBERICA]

I guess the issue I have with this notion of tanking (let's call it what it is) is that in this particular draft, I don't see 'that guy'. They don't come around that often, and some just occur despite how high the pick is. Andre Drummond is the closest thing I see to world-beater talent, and I'm not sure that he ever becomes that force in offensive way and the Jazz have already invested very highly in two guys that played ten minutes a piece last night so BIG AL could go 5-17 (7-33 against the Lakers just this year) and blow a chance to win the game. That's a total tangent though.

If there is 'that guy' in this draft, I don't think it's obvious who it is.

 

[craig2112]

I guess the issue I have with this notion of tanking (let's call it what it is) is that in this particular draft, I don't see 'that guy'. They don't come around that often, and some just occur despite how high the pick is. Andre Drummond is the closest thing I see to world-beater talent, and I'm not sure that he ever becomes that force in offensive way and the Jazz have already invested very highly in two guys that played ten minutes a piece last night so BIG AL could go 5-17 (7-33 against the Lakers just this year) and blow a chance to win the game. That's a total tangent though.

If there is 'that guy' in this draft, I don't think it's obvious who it is.

Hmmm, just what I have been saying all along. Must make you feel dirty to agree with me

Another thing to consider is all the busts that have happened with lottery players. I'm never for tanking a season. I'm am enjoying the games now. If the team starts to suck, it's hard for me to enjoy. I don't want to wait for next year or the year after.

As far as winning a title. Sure, I'd like to see it. But lets be realistic. We all know what David Stern wants, and doesn't want. What he doesn't want is a league where Utah is the champion. He wants LA, Boston, and Miami. It's just the way it is.\
Yes, I think it is possible that the Jazz someday do win it all, but I'm not going to obsess over it all year every year. And I certainly won't stop enjoying Jazz games just because we aren't the absolute best team in the league

 

[NUMBERICA]

You would be well served to calm down.

 

[craig2112]

You would be well served to calm down.

and why is that?

 

[Stoked]

and why is that?

Man I wanted to provide a qoute from Lock Stock adn Two Smoking Barrells but it is full of profanity. /sigh

 

[craig2112]

Man I wanted to provide a qoute from Lock Stock adn Two Smoking Barrells but it is full of profanity. /sigh

Just watched the trailer. Funny, I never heard of this movie, but I might have to pick it up

 

[Stoked]

Just watched the trailer. Funny, I never heard of this movie, but I might have to pick it up

It is AWESOME!!! You have to pay attention though or you will get lost.

 

[craig2112]

It is AWESOME!!! You have to pay attention though or you will get lost.

Yeah, I realized that just watching the trailer. But I like movies like that, and i like Guy Ritchie's style. I'm putting this one on my list.
Thanks for the recomendation

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

Ricky Rubio (#4)
Wesley Johnson (#4)
Michael Beasley (#2)
Derrick Williams (#2)
Kevin Love (#5)
Darko Milicic (#2)

Awesome!

 

[green]

Showing examples of teams that aren't winning titles with high draft picks doesn't prove anything. Show me teams that have won it all, lacking high draft picks. Then I'll listen. And don't mention the Pistons. They had four or five top ten picks.

 

[NUMBERICA]

And don't mention the Pistons. They had four or five top ten picks.

The Jazz currently have three top 5 picks, a top 10, and two lottery picks plus the forthcoming GS pick and/or their own this year.

I'm not going to root for losing. The draft pick angle makes me ambivalent to losing AS LONG AS the untouchable four are getting opportunities and the team is playing the right way.

Last night was frustrating to me not necessarily because the Jazz lost, but because Ty is getting vet horny despite at least one of his vets playing like crap (and even though Burks chucked and Hayward played scared, I have a tough time believing CJ Miles deserved Ty's trust last night).