Potential Trade Targets

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I think they would do that. I don't know that we would or should as I think Dunn can be retained on a pretty favorable deal.

What's teh point of keeping Dunn really?

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

What's teh point of keeping Dunn really?

He's helped us win basketball games and is a leader in the locker room. He's a vocal leader which is something needed. He's our best perimeter defender by a mile. He works well with our combo guards that suck at defense.

If they got both seconds I would get it but I think there is more value in keeping him and I think he may be like $5M ish type of dude.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

He's helped us win basketball games and is a leader in the locker room. He's a vocal leader which is something needed. He's our best perimeter defender by a mile. He works well with our combo guards that suck at defense.

If they got both seconds I would get it but I think there is more value in keeping him and I think he may be like $5M ish type of dude.

Yeah, if I was DA I would view him as a hindrance of seeing what the actual roster is and would want him off the team if I can get any kind of decent quality 2nd(s).

Bring in Lowry and promise him a starting job for the rest of the year after he gets bought out if toughness/leadership is that important for the rest of the season.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

When the team is playing well and everything is going to plan, Dunn is only playing the first stints of each half then not checking in again.

He's not part of any kind of future. We've bumped up his value. Hopefully someone like the Bucks or Suns see that and give us some decent 2nds for him.

 

[TheGoldStandard]

He's doubled his block/steal rate this year. His defense has improved. He's having a shooting slump. His shot is good and it should trend back up at some point. It's not like teams are daring him to take wide open shots, people are still respecting him.

I think Ochai will have at least a 8 year career. If the shooting doesnt get to another level he will be out once the athleticism drops.

The thing is, teams aren't respecting him, they are playing off of him. As his shot chart shows, he has taken zero 3s closely guarded (and 2.4% with a defender within 2-4 feet).

Here is the breakdown:
Ochai averages 3 three point attempts per game.

On average 1.7 of those are wide open (no defender within 6 feet). 1.1 are with a defender within 4-6 feet (open) and the remaining 0.2 within 2-4 feet. And the Jazz aren't running screens to get him open, they are having him sit on the wing/corner and his defender is sagging off of him. So basically he is taking the very large majority of his shots open and has shot 16% from 3 this month. Not a good sign.

If he doesn't improve his shooting his minutes will start dropping, and he won't get paid.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

When the team is playing well and everything is going to plan, Dunn is only playing the first stints of each half then not checking in again.

He's not part of any kind of future. We've bumped up his value. Hopefully someone like the Bucks or Suns see that and give us some decent 2nds for him.

He plays 22 minutes a night when he starts. His on-off splits are better than every other rotation player on the team... even Lauri. He can easily play at this level for another couple years. The seconds are solid ones but I prefer to keep Dunn. He helps smooth the edges out while our combo guards figure things out.

 

[underdog]

He's helped us win basketball games and is a leader in the locker room. He's a vocal leader which is something needed. He's our best perimeter defender by a mile. He works well with our combo guards that suck at defense.

If they got both seconds I would get it but I think there is more value in keeping him and I think he may be like $5M ish type of dude.

Agree. We should keep him, for now anyway. His value will probably become higher, and we need his defense. He also brings toughness, which we don't have enough.

 

[framer]

I would probably do that trade for the blazer pick and I think it makes sense for the bucks. Dunn would be a solid upgrade at pg over what they are currently putting out there.

There is probably less than a 5% chance you could get a player as good or better than Dunn with that pick. Unless Dunn has told you there is no way he is going to re-sign, you keep Dunn.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Agree. We should keep him, for now anyway. His value will probably become higher, and we need his defense. He also brings toughness, which we don't have enough.

I like him and agree. The proposed trade is good value and I think the Bucks would do it in a second. I just think if we want some good seconds we have other routes I'd go first. Dunn is helping our young players and guards quite a bit.

 

[SoberasHotRod]

He plays 22 minutes a night when he starts. His on-off splits are better than every other rotation player on the team... even Lauri. He can easily play at this level for another couple years. The seconds are solid ones but I prefer to keep Dunn. He helps smooth the edges out while our combo guards figure things out.

The biggest thing for me with Dunn is he seems to have embraced his role and seems to be a good locker room guy/mentor for the young guys. I remember in training camp Locke had this theory that Dunn was going to go hard at the young guys to "fight" for his minutes/spot on the team. I remember him asking Dunn about it, and Dunn basically said, "Nah." Then you heard about him working with guys to help them with their defense and just being a good mentor in general.

The biggest reason to move him would be if he is definitely not coming back next year due to wanting too much money or just not liking being part of the team. I don't get the sense either of those things are true and so I'm guessing we have a pretty good chance to retain him.

 

[homeytennis]

I can't remember where I read this but they said "Dunn is vocal leader on a team full of introverts."

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

The thing is, teams aren't respecting him, they are playing off of him. As his shot chart shows, he has taken zero 3s closely guarded (and 2.4% with a defender within 2-4 feet).

Here is the breakdown:
Ochai averages 3 three point attempts per game.

On average 1.7 of those are wide open (no defender within 6 feet). 1.1 are with a defender within 4-6 feet (open) and the remaining 0.2 within 2-4 feet. And the Jazz aren't running screens to get him open, they are having him sit on the wing/corner and his defender is sagging off of him. So basically he is taking the very large majority of his shots open and has shot 16% from 3 this month. Not a good sign.

If he doesn't improve his shooting his minutes will start dropping, and he won't get paid.

Basically only elite movement shooters or elite shot creators take closely guarded 3's. It's not a great sign of respect level for 90% of shooters. Even Lauri Markkanen, who is an elite shooter, possibly the best shooter over 6'8 in the NBA, doesnt take "tight" contest according to the tracking system.

Basically a 2-4 foot contest by the tracking system means the defender didnt leave you at all and it's not a closeout situation.

"Open" shots wont always look open in the actual game. If it's a good closeout an "open" shot from the tracker can look like a tight contest. If your shooting presence is still causing defenders to rotate and recover, you are providing a benefit. Like I said, no one is just seeing Ochai get the ball and not reacting.

And yeah, no one is saying Ochai is a movement shooter bud. Literally no one. Even if Ochai is only ever a one dimensional corner shooter, as long as he is good at that, it's valuable. The guy is just in a slump, it happens.