Potential Trade Targets

[idiot]

For what it's worth: Clarkson to Knicks seems to be a bigger item among Jazz fans than among Knick fans. They seem to have their attention on other targets.

 

[fishonjazz]

Harden played on much more talented and veteran-esk teams

15 straight all star seasons bro. MVP level player.

Trae ain't on the level of harden



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[framer]

For what it's worth: Clarkson to Knicks seems to be a bigger item among Jazz fans than among Knick fans. They seem to have their attention on other targets.

They are kind of delusional like Laker fans though. . .

 

[fishonjazz]

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What's the reference here

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[fishonjazz]

I understand the logic behind “he needs to be a difference maker that makes X difference”. I also believe it is textbook “easier said than done” mentality.

You can say it will be extremely hard to build a championship contender with Trae. I think it’s hard to disagree with that. But the other side of that is that it is going to be extremely hard to do so no matter what path you take.

There are easier players to build around. But the reason why we’re talking about Trae in the first place is that it’s semi realistic to actually get him. If you think Trae is not the right path, I think you at least have to acknowledge the extreme difficulty in acquiring X player who is easier to build around.

Good post.
I have been talking **** about trae here but he is a very good player. Wouldn't be the worst thing in the world to have him. I would just rather have a lot of other all star type players over him

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[Handlogten's Heros]

It's just a lot easier to pick at Trae than "mystery player". Mystery player is great until you actually account for the difficulty in acquiring them and also consider the reality that mystery player will likely have flaws as well. Not saying Trae is the greatest option either, but every option is difficult and imperfect. To be overrated, you need to be rated in the first place. When I look at the credit Trae gets, the accolades he's been given, and the evaluation of him (in this thread in particular)...I just don't see a player who is overrated and I would actually lean towards the opinion that people are too harsh him and not giving him enough credit for the good stuff he does.

For example, a lot of the criticisms I see in this thread are so heavily team performance related. It's not necessarily bad to account for team success, but let's also remember he's reached the same peak as the Jazz franchise has had in decades, he hasn't played on great rosters, and his adjusted +/- stuff is actually pretty damn good great (especially on offense obvs). Again, not perfect, but people are hammering on him for not doing enough on offense when his 3 year offensive LA-RAPM is 7th out of all players. His single season offensive RAPM stuff is consistently amazing. RAPM isn't perfect, but it's a way to assess an individual vs the team. It's not fair to dump on him for how his team performs when the numbers strongly indicate he's been carrying that team. Like go ahead and be harsh on his defense because he deserves it, but at the same time I think you also have to give him his roses for the offensive impact he's had. If he's not elevating his team's offense enough, you can count the guys who are with like one hand. And to clear, we want those guys, but are we actually going to get them?

I actually think Zach Lavine is a better option at the high salary and for his relative acquisition cost....but it's only fair to give Trae his due.

Right... but to be the guy that is worth the acquisition costs with all his deficiencies on defense he needs to be one of the handful of guys that does elevate his teams offense. He sucks up so much of the offensive oxygen and will be a giant bullseye on defense. There's enough smoke about the other locker room stuff that I believe it.

Its not like he's had trash rosters... he's elevated those rosters for sure. I am not saying he's bad. I'm saying he's not the guy to push half of the chips in on.

I'll take the mystery man.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

It's looking more and more like the Clarkson to New York might happen as Bruce Brown may soon be off the market. . .


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Jake isn't Woj. I'm sure he gets intel but doubt it means much.

 

[fishonjazz]

It's just a lot easier to pick at Trae than "mystery player". Mystery player is great until you actually account for the difficulty in acquiring them and also consider the reality that mystery player will likely have flaws as well. Not saying Trae is the greatest option either, but every option is difficult and imperfect. To be overrated, you need to be rated in the first place. When I look at the credit Trae gets, the accolades he's been given, and the evaluation of him (in this thread in particular)...I just don't see a player who is overrated and I would actually lean towards the opinion that people are too harsh him and not giving him enough credit for the good stuff he does.

For example, a lot of the criticisms I see in this thread are so heavily team performance related. It's not necessarily bad to account for team success, but let's also remember he's reached the same peak as the Jazz franchise has had in decades, he hasn't played on great rosters, and his adjusted +/- stuff is actually pretty damn good great (especially on offense obvs). Again, not perfect, but people are hammering on him for not doing enough on offense when his 3 year offensive LA-RAPM is 7th out of all players. His single season offensive RAPM stuff is consistently amazing. RAPM isn't perfect, but it's a way to assess an individual vs the team. It's not fair to dump on him for how his team performs when the numbers strongly indicate he's been carrying that team. Like go ahead and be harsh on his defense because he deserves it, but at the same time I think you also have to give him his roses for the offensive impact he's had. If he's not elevating his team's offense enough, you can count the guys who are with like one hand. And to clear, we want those guys, but are we actually going to get them?

I actually think Zach Lavine is a better option at the high salary and for his relative acquisition cost....but it's only fair to give Trae his due.

He has been called a superstar multiple times in this thread by one of the more knowledgeable posters and compared to harder who was an MVP level player and went to 15 straight all star games. And he makes over 40 million per year. He is overrated

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[TheGoldStandard]

He's, at best, an average defender.

Maybe with the Hawks. Under Pop he was a very good to great defender. He had a 101 rating one season and was all-defensive 2nd the next. He seems to be mailing it in on both ends a bit in ATL. He'd be a gamble, but he definitely has the capability to be a good defender.

 

[framer]

Jake isn't Woj. I'm sure he gets intel but doubt it means much.

I mean usually when you are laying out which payers are involved it means a little more than the "Bucks are interested in Bruce" but I guess we will see.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Also its just the way Trae plays. It would make Walker more happy I'm sure but it sucks to just watch a guy cook like that. Its part of the reason dudes seem to want out of Atlanta.

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

You can see the difference between Clint Capella playing with James Harden and Clint Capella playing with Trae. Trae isn't the same level of advantage creator.

Lmao. He had his best year with Trae plus he was on a worse team by a mile.