homeytennis
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If the Jazz limit turnovers and improve their field goal percentage like magic the defensive metrics will improve. Our guards turnover numbers were just rank at times this season.
Defense next season
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He had one of the highest net ratings on the team - he's able to stay on the floor just fine.
I remember there was a game or two where we played Dunn, Hendricks, and Kessler in the same lineup and our defense looked amazing. The offense was rough.
I'm going to go look for the lineup data now...
I'm going to go look for the lineup data now...
I found it.
Dunn, Kessler, and Hendricks played 134 minutes together and had a defensive rating of 104.8 and an offensive rating of 115.1
I disagree. Until he adds the short roll, he's getting about the maximum number of minutes he should ever expect to get.
Is short roll the new (old) buzzword or something? It’d be nice, but the guy who played instead of him isn’t exactly a short roll wizard either. Right or wrong, Hardy simply thinks Collins is a better player and also that they cannot play together.
Kessler’s level dropped substantially on both ends. Even then, I think he was a better player than Collins this season. If he returns to his rookie level form, it would not be a conversation. Who knows if he’ll get it back though. It’s no secret that he’s going through a large mental battle.
Kessler’s level dropped substantially on both ends. Even then, I think he was a better player than Collins this season. If he returns to his rookie level form, it would not be a conversation. Who knows if he’ll get it back though. It’s no secret that he’s going through a large mental battle.
rjfan
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I don't think we'll be good (much less great) defensively next season, as I see we'll be tanking next year, either through extending Lauri (thus having at least another safe year to do so) or trading him (thus sending us for two more years of real hard tanking where we'd be actually gunning for a 1st overall pick).
We'll be starting Collins at center, as his contract is too big for anyone take a bet on It next year, and he's also a worse PF than C (both ends of the floor, if anything, playing him as PF is one hell of a tanking move, so maybe we gonna go there), and going coach dnp on him would be terrible for locker room and the (already terrible) value of the last year of his deal (we didn't cut THT of our rotation till a third to half of this season for the same reasons while he makes less than half the money and may be out of the league next year).
I doubt we'll be playing Dunn above Sexton or Keyonte, even more If we don't trade Clarkson (which i guess we may do, but his value was higher this time last year I believe). Growth from Keyonte, Sensabaugh and Hendricks (and Kessler, but I don't expect him to do much behind/alongside Collins) could drive more winning, but better defense I only expect from Hendricks (even more If Keyonte be playing many SG minutes, defensively he's a PG in this league).
Also anyone we might draft this offseason shouldn't be expected to be a difference maker right out of the gate. And the only team in the conference that could realistically be up to tear It down this offseason is the Warriors (maybe the Lakers and/or Clippers, but these two I still believe they'll be going for It at least one or two more years, as the Suns and the Mavs), and maybe they'll just try to retool, all while Memphis should be up for a comeback year. All these things put togheter points to at least one extra year of heavy tanking, maybe two.
We'll be starting Collins at center, as his contract is too big for anyone take a bet on It next year, and he's also a worse PF than C (both ends of the floor, if anything, playing him as PF is one hell of a tanking move, so maybe we gonna go there), and going coach dnp on him would be terrible for locker room and the (already terrible) value of the last year of his deal (we didn't cut THT of our rotation till a third to half of this season for the same reasons while he makes less than half the money and may be out of the league next year).
I doubt we'll be playing Dunn above Sexton or Keyonte, even more If we don't trade Clarkson (which i guess we may do, but his value was higher this time last year I believe). Growth from Keyonte, Sensabaugh and Hendricks (and Kessler, but I don't expect him to do much behind/alongside Collins) could drive more winning, but better defense I only expect from Hendricks (even more If Keyonte be playing many SG minutes, defensively he's a PG in this league).
Also anyone we might draft this offseason shouldn't be expected to be a difference maker right out of the gate. And the only team in the conference that could realistically be up to tear It down this offseason is the Warriors (maybe the Lakers and/or Clippers, but these two I still believe they'll be going for It at least one or two more years, as the Suns and the Mavs), and maybe they'll just try to retool, all while Memphis should be up for a comeback year. All these things put togheter points to at least one extra year of heavy tanking, maybe two.
The net rating statistic was a fact, not an opinion. Collins at the 5 hurt the defense way more than Kessler at the 5 hurt the offense. It's not even up for debate.
If we had some world-beater at the 5 to give Kessler's minutes too, then yeah he shouldn't expect more minutes than what he got this season. But we didn't - we had Collins.
I still say the Jazz should look into getting Jonathan Isaac. We should probably be grateful that Orlando is doing so poorly in the playoffs with their lack of offense so he can't further his value. He's someone who could transform the Jazz into a top 15 defense.
The short roll issue is an issue, but I still think the biggest issue is his overall vibe. You just dont want someone like him on the court when he's sulking the way he does. He has to believe in himself before we can expect the coaching staff to believe in him.
Pls don't try to reify some world where "facts" speak for themselves. Which "offense" are you speaking about here? There was clearly an emphasis on developing an offensive repertoire, and the part of the playbook that features Kessler and his skill set was obviously pretty limited — a limitation that mirrors Kessler's skill set. The development I'm speaking about here spans seasons; it's about building a program.
I didn't have the chance to watch as many games as closely as I'd like to, but I feel pretty confident in saying that if you were to list Hardy's 5 or 6 best moments of offensive genius this year, then you'd probably have to include the system he installed that essentially extended the dunker's spot (for Kessler, mainly) almost all the way into the corner (and gave that spot some gravity). But when a team that's already starved of playmaking then sells off Olynyk, these sorts of high-wire acts get harder to execute.