2024 NBA Draft Mega Thread

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I think zero people would take someone who is a worse fit if we don't think they are a clearly better player. Every single person would take the better fit between two players who they see as equal. We don't need to talk circles around that.

I just don't believe Keyonte should have an impact on our draft. We don't know how he good he will be, and as I've said multiple times, if we have two players that are good enough to where there is an issue....that is a champagne problem. What you don't want to do is miss a on a good player because he didn't fit with a hypothetical version of a player on your roster. Nothing is guaranteed in the draft, you have to give yourself the best chance at getting the best player.

If you have a Donovan Mitchell or Rudy Gobert on roster, that is when you start to make those decisions, but you need to get those players first. The only guy who is a sure thing is Lauri who can play with literally anyone. If you think Sexton is that guy, maybe you think about it but I don't think the FO does.

Particularly with the fact that Key is big enough to play the 1 and 2. Also we need to remember that Hardy is not a Sexton fan which increases the likelihood of moving him in the near future.

 

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It makes sense if you actually read what I've been saying.

It's about making a fun roster vs a championship roster. I just dont think you can win at the highest level w/ a guy like Dillingham as your primary ball-handler/PG. Or at the very best, you can win with him but it would take such flawless roster construction that it wouldn't be practical.

I'm sure if you think hard enough you can name some players you like/liked watching and think are very talented but didnt have games that really translated to winning at the highest level.

You are acting like we already know what kind of player he will be. At this point we have no clue. If he were to turn into a Darius Garland caliber of player with the 8th pick you wouldn't consider that a home run? Right now we have a roster that is bottom 5 in the nba as far as talent goes so my priority is less roster construction right now and more about finding some potentially elite pieces. In the end I think this conversation is probably going to be a moot point because I don't think he gets past the spurs and if we jump into the top 4 I think we target other guys.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

You are acting like we already know what kind of player he will be. At this point we have no clue. If he were to turn into a Darius Garland caliber of player with the 8th pick you wouldn't consider that a home run? Right now we have a roster that is bottom 5 in the nba as far as talent goes so my priority is less roster construction right now and more about finding some potentially elite pieces. In the end I think this conversation is probably going to be a moot point because I don't think he gets past the spurs and if we jump into the top 4 I think we target other guys.

Wait, are you telling me the draft is all about taking what we have and making projections?

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

And idk, I watched the Cavs first round series, Garland didnt look that good (vs a team without great guard talent (and he's got an elite 2-guard who commands the better defender), but who has good guard size). We will see how he looks against a jumbo sized team w/ talent in the 2nd round.

Garland also weighs 190 and has a 6'5 wingspan, so a good measure bigger than Dillingham. Just do yallselves a favor and look at how many NBA players there are in the NBA under 180 lbs. Any success Dillingham has will be an outlier and for him to be highly succesfull in the playoffs would be an even bigger outlier. I think he can definitely become a great 6th man in the NBA and potentially a starter, but for him to be a top 10 PG in the NBA on a playoff team would mean the team is highly optimized around him and he really nailed his potential (becoming a foul merchant, excellent shooter, and passer (aka adopting the Trae Young style game).

 

[zags422]

With filipowski still middraft projection, similar to last season, curious if this suggests maybe the ‘24 draft is being undervalued. Or is it just the ceiling of filipowski is known and this draft will just be about drafting youth with potential? Curious what thoughts are on this from people smarter than I with draft analysis perspectives.

Otherwise if this draft is weaker I don’t know why filipowski is not higher. If there is a misconception this is a weak draft I love the idea of moving up and getting 2 picks this draft.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

And idk, I watched the Cavs first round series, Garland didnt look that good (vs a team without great guard talent (and he's got an elite 2-guard who commands the better defender), but who has good guard size). We will see how he looks against a jumbo sized team w/ talent in the 2nd round.

Garland also weighs 190 and has a 6'5 wingspan, so a good measure bigger than Dillingham. Just do yallselves a favor and look at how many NBA players there are in the NBA under 180 lbs. Any success Dillingham has will be an outlier and for him to be highly succesfull in the playoffs would be an even bigger outlier. I think he can definitely become a great 6th man in the NBA and potentially a starter, but for him to be a top 10 PG in the NBA on a playoff team would mean the team is highly optimized around him and he really nailed his potential (becoming a foul merchant, excellent shooter, and passer (aka adopting the Trae Young style game).

Vecenie is doing a mock with his podcast partner and Dilly went #12 (haven't finished yet).

Jazz took Ron Holland in the mock.

I just think this draft is going to become a bit more about what guys do well rather than their flaws because so many guys have obvious flaws. I want to see the actual measurements on Rob. I'm not as sold as some on Key as the PGOTF. So if Dilly is there at #8 and Castle or others I might like more for fit are gone... I think he becomes the pick even if the fit sucks for now. I think you can bring him up in the 6th man super sub and give him more as he deserves it.

I also have a feeling we move Collin at some point. IDK the whole team is up in the air so I kinda think you take the best player. Rob is pretty talented so he might be a break the mold type.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Another factor on Rob is are they going to allow the type of defense they allowed the second half of the season and playoffs. Long term is there a change there with the officiating. If so smaller guys may find it a lot harder to be successful in the league.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Vecenie is doing a mock with his podcast partner and Dilly went #12 (haven't finished yet).

Jazz took Ron Holland in the mock.

I just think this draft is going to become a bit more about what guys do well rather than their flaws because so many guys have obvious flaws. I want to see the actual measurements on Rob. I'm not as sold as some on Key as the PGOTF. So if Dilly is there at #8 and Castle or others I might like more for fit are gone... I think he becomes the pick even if the fit sucks for now. I think you can bring him up in the 6th man super sub and give him more as he deserves it.

I also have a feeling we move Collin at some point. IDK the whole team is up in the air so I kinda think you take the best player. Rob is pretty talented so he might be a break the mold type.

Interesting. I've been feeling like Sexton is here long-term the more the season has passed after feeling like he was getting traded.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Another factor on Rob is are they going to allow the type of defense they allowed the second half of the season and playoffs. Long term is there a change there with the officiating. If so smaller guys may find it a lot harder to be successful in the league.

The pendulum is constantly swinging. It's never going to be one way.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Interesting. I've been feeling like Sexton is here long-term the more the season has passed after feeling like he was getting traded.

I think we end up tanking one way or another. Requires moving on of Lauri or Sexton. Maybe not though. I think it also depends on getting good offers for our guys. Ainge is so value based and it drives a lot of his deals imo.

 

[KqWIN]

Another factor on Rob is are they going to allow the type of defense they allowed the second half of the season and playoffs. Long term is there a change there with the officiating. If so smaller guys may find it a lot harder to be successful in the league.

The FT baiters seem to be eating really well these playoffs.

Either way, I think if refs allow more physical play, I'm not sure it truly favors any one type of player. Even if a guy doesn't shoot a lot of FT's I think more physicality can give him more struggles. For example, Jrue Holiday is well known to have massive drop-offs in efficiency during the playoffs but he does not go to the FT line much. Just off the top of my head, the lead guards in the playoffs who don't get to the FT line a lot are Jrue, Haliburton, Murray, Garland, Russell, McCollum, Herro. Do we see any trends there?

 

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Another factor on Rob is are they going to allow the type of defense they allowed the second half of the season and playoffs. Long term is there a change there with the officiating. If so smaller guys may find it a lot harder to be successful in the league.

I'm not buying that at all. Small guys have thrived in every era. The talent always shines through in the end.