Ehh, he's proven he can be a NBA playoff player. Collins hasnt and likely never will. IDK if Id do it, but I would think long and hard.
Offseason Plan + Lauri Thread
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And despite all of that I despise having him on my team.
That would be my thought. I'd do it just because it's something new. Doesn't move the needle either way but Wiggins certainly has more upside and fits what we need more than Collins.
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What? Collins has played well in the playoffs too. And we are now worried about the playoffs? okay
And brush off whatever the hell Wiggins is going through that cause him to miss a half season with a contender and come in out of shape as "ehh".
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If you hate Collins wait until you watch Wiggins mail it in.
Again- he disappeared for half a season on a contender. Don't expect him to lock in here to fight for the 10th seed. Wiggins is on the all-apathy team with DeAndre Ayton... If they want to give us a pick to swap Wiggins and Collins then I would probably do it. Straight up... nah.
I would if it came with something extra.
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You are probably right. I just wish we had never gotten Collins at all. And maybe this would just be doubling down on that for more money and years.
Would still do it though
Here's my off-season plan. I've always maintained that for a team like ours the best path to contention is via the draft and the best way to get a top tier talent in the draft is to tank. And every single player who is not in the long-term plans of the team should be available for a trade. Convert current value that won't be useful when the time comes to contend into future value that might be useful when we actually are fighting for something.
The hardest one to figure out in that frame IMO is Lauri. And he very well might be very useful piece of the next contending Jazz team. I really like Lauri and I think we struck gold with that trade. I think if we get one or two top tier offensive initiators Lauri would be one of the best complementary pieces offensively you can ask for in the league. So...
Step 1. Extend Lauri. Reasoning - I think he can be part of the next contending Jazz team.
Step 2. Trade away everyone who is not in the plans long-term. I do NOT care about whether we field a respectable roster next season... in fact... if we start a couple of rookies, that wouldn't be the worst thing. Sexton, Clarkson, Collins... find the best offers for them and ship them out.
Step 3. Draft. If you really love one of the prospects that would require trade up - trade up. It should be much cheaper to trade up in this draft than in most. (Lets say we trade up a few spots and get Castle - this is my preferred player, but I can buy in a few others and I'm not heavily invested in any of them) . If you love another player who drops in the 20s for some reason, use 29 and 32 to trade up for him(Lets say Zach Edey drops to 21-22 like he did in Vecenie's last mock)
Step 4. Find good, low price(!!!) reclamation projects that might be worth taking a shot on in FA/trade - How cheap would someone like Patrick Williams be?
Do not forget - the best asset you have is your pick in a really highly rated draft! Treat it like it! Do NOT get tempted by the promise of a few more wins. In 5 years nobody will care whether you went 20-62 or 32-50. Everybody will care about whether you have a franchise type player and the 2025 draft seems to be one of those drafts where there might be a few of those.
Projected depth chart for 2024-2025 season:
PG: Stephon Castle(cuz he wants to be a PG
), Scotty Pippen Jr(FA acquisition)
SG: Keyonte George, Naji Marshall(FA)
SF: Lauri Markkanen, Brice Sensabaugh, Aaron Wiggins(FA)
PF: Taylor Hendricks, Patrick Williams(via FA/trade), Darius Bazley
C: Zack Edey, Walker Kessler(in case Hardy really don't like him and he can't beat even Edey for the starting spot), Omer Yurtseven
Or...something of the sort. Go for top 5 pick(a lot of load management... a lot of being cautious with minor injuries). This is my plan to try to tank while keeping Lauri. You buy Lauri's patience with a new rich contract... and you hope the draft gods are with you next year.
The hardest one to figure out in that frame IMO is Lauri. And he very well might be very useful piece of the next contending Jazz team. I really like Lauri and I think we struck gold with that trade. I think if we get one or two top tier offensive initiators Lauri would be one of the best complementary pieces offensively you can ask for in the league. So...
Step 1. Extend Lauri. Reasoning - I think he can be part of the next contending Jazz team.
Step 2. Trade away everyone who is not in the plans long-term. I do NOT care about whether we field a respectable roster next season... in fact... if we start a couple of rookies, that wouldn't be the worst thing. Sexton, Clarkson, Collins... find the best offers for them and ship them out.
Step 3. Draft. If you really love one of the prospects that would require trade up - trade up. It should be much cheaper to trade up in this draft than in most. (Lets say we trade up a few spots and get Castle - this is my preferred player, but I can buy in a few others and I'm not heavily invested in any of them) . If you love another player who drops in the 20s for some reason, use 29 and 32 to trade up for him(Lets say Zach Edey drops to 21-22 like he did in Vecenie's last mock)
Step 4. Find good, low price(!!!) reclamation projects that might be worth taking a shot on in FA/trade - How cheap would someone like Patrick Williams be?
Do not forget - the best asset you have is your pick in a really highly rated draft! Treat it like it! Do NOT get tempted by the promise of a few more wins. In 5 years nobody will care whether you went 20-62 or 32-50. Everybody will care about whether you have a franchise type player and the 2025 draft seems to be one of those drafts where there might be a few of those.
Projected depth chart for 2024-2025 season:
PG: Stephon Castle(cuz he wants to be a PG
), Scotty Pippen Jr(FA acquisition)SG: Keyonte George, Naji Marshall(FA)
SF: Lauri Markkanen, Brice Sensabaugh, Aaron Wiggins(FA)
PF: Taylor Hendricks, Patrick Williams(via FA/trade), Darius Bazley
C: Zack Edey, Walker Kessler(in case Hardy really don't like him and he can't beat even Edey for the starting spot), Omer Yurtseven
Or...something of the sort. Go for top 5 pick(a lot of load management... a lot of being cautious with minor injuries). This is my plan to try to tank while keeping Lauri. You buy Lauri's patience with a new rich contract... and you hope the draft gods are with you next year.
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Patrick Williams will not be cheapHere's my off-season plan. I've always maintained that for a team like ours the best path to contention is via the draft and the best way to get a top tier talent in the draft is to tank. And every single player who is not in the long-term plans of the team should be available for a trade. Convert current value that won't be useful when the time comes to contend into future value that might be useful when we actually are fighting for something.
The hardest one to figure out in that frame IMO is Lauri. And he very well might be very useful piece of the next contending Jazz team. I really like Lauri and I think we struck gold with that trade. I think if we get one or two top tier offensive initiators Lauri would be one of the best complementary pieces offensively you can ask for in the league. So...
Step 1. Extend Lauri. Reasoning - I think he can be part of the next contending Jazz team.
Step 2. Trade away everyone who is not in the plans long-term. I do NOT care about whether we field a respectable roster next season... in fact... if we start a couple of rookies, that wouldn't be the worst thing. Sexton, Clarkson, Collins... find the best offers for them and ship them out.
Step 3. Draft. If you really love one of the prospects that would require trade up - trade up. It should be much cheaper to trade up in this draft than in most. (Lets say we trade up a few spots and get Castle - this is my preferred player, but I can buy in a few others and I'm not heavily invested in any of them) . If you love another player who drops in the 20s for some reason, use 29 and 32 to trade up for him(Lets say Zach Edey drops to 21-22 like he did in Vecenie's last mock)
Step 4. Find good, low price(!!!) reclamation projects that might be worth taking a shot on in FA/trade - How cheap would someone like Patrick Williams be?
Do not forget - the best asset you have is your pick in a really highly rated draft! Treat it like it! Do NOT get tempted by the promise of a few more wins. In 5 years nobody will care whether you went 20-62 or 32-50. Everybody will care about whether you have a franchise type player and the 2025 draft seems to be one of those drafts where there might be a few of those.
Projected depth chart for 2024-2025 season:
PG: Stephon Castle(cuz he wants to be a PG
SG: Keyonte George, Naji Marshall(FA)
SF: Lauri Markkanen, Brice Sensabaugh, Aaron Wiggins(FA)
PF: Taylor Hendricks, Patrick Williams(via FA/trade), Darius Bazley
C: Zack Edey, Walker Kessler(in case Hardy really don't like him and he can't beat even Edey for the starting spot), Omer Yurtseven
Or...something of the sort. Go for top 5 pick(a lot of load management... a lot of being cautious with minor injuries). This is my plan to try to tank while keeping Lauri. You buy Lauri's patience with a new rich contract... and you hope the draft gods are with you next year.
What do you think he will cost? $-wise and compensation-wise?
At least 20 million per yer.
Would you give him 4/80 and a future 1st as compensation for Chicago?