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Jazz sign Svi Mykhailiuk for 4 years, $15 mil

cctrackstar said:
and why should i? i endure the ads, i pay for tickets, for streaming (not me but some do) why should i if i don't enjoy the product. also, i consider tanking like using cheat codes in a game. did you really win if you cheated the system to leverage better players? that's not why the lottery is there, it's to help bad teams get good again, not to help average teams get a leg up on other teams. i won't deny being freakishly honest, it's who i am. again, 'so sue me' i want not just the jazz but every team to just do the best they can with the players they have and see who wins. i hate the tank, and i don't care if others think i'm naive.
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Yep you called it.

You’re naive.
 
cctrackstar said:
and why should i? i endure the ads, i pay for tickets, for streaming (not me but some do) why should i if i don't enjoy the product. also, i consider tanking like using cheat codes in a game. did you really win if you cheated the system to leverage better players? that's not why the lottery is there, it's to help bad teams get good again, not to help average teams get a leg up on other teams. i won't deny being freakishly honest, it's who i am. again, 'so sue me' i want not just the jazz but every team to just do the best they can with the players they have and see who wins. i hate the tank, and i don't care if others think i'm naive.
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Tanking isnt a cheat code. Its a strategy that has risks much like any other strategy.

Regardless of what strategy you choose the goal is to first and foremost get that MVP caliber guy. The FO made it clear trading for a star was their preference but the best player available last 2 years has been Lillard, who is not only too old but also not even a top 10 let alone MVP caliber player.
 
cctrackstar said:
rename this site 'tankfans' smh. i still want to win. so sue me, i hope he plays well and we get that playin game. we have enough picks and youth, it's time to take that next step.
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We all want to win. Other fans just want to win even more than you do and understand that the path to get those more wins is a strange and unfortunate path

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jazznik said:
What if Ainge is slowly but steadily descending in the sudden onset dementia or something similar? The Jazz office and fans trust his decision - this is the almighty Ainge! - and find justifications for each of his moves... but two years from now they are going to look back and shout "How could anyone miss that, it was so obvious! All the signs were right there: not commiting fully either to tanking or competing for playoffs, trading away Fontecchio, signing Eubanks, signing Swi, trading for Collins! Were we blind?!"
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Need a kleenex?
 
slc said:
So does this mean no Procida this year
Roster looks complete now
Maybe some trades now
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I would’ve brought him over, but I think they’re hoping to see him:
A.) get (and stay) healthy and
B.) replicate and build in his successful season with another

I’m pretty sure I read somewhere that they’re planning to bring him over next year, which (hopefully) means he’s healthy and has another year of development under his belt. Hopefully it doesn’t raise the cost to bring him over significantly by waiting.
 
It’s still interesting to see the team continue to operate by focusing on getting young guys on team friendly contracts and see what they can do with them.

I loved the moves for Bazley and Lofton last year. This feels like an extension of that concept.
 
Coach Ellis said:
It’s still interesting to see the team continue to operate by focusing on getting young guys on team friendly contracts and see what they can do with them.

I loved the moves for Bazley and Lofton last year. This feels like an extension of that concept.
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Still don’t get the Collins reclamation project though.. now he’s gonna be in the way of Hendrix playing time.
 
The Midnight said:
Still don’t get the Collins reclamation project though.. now he’s gonna be in the way of Hendrix playing time.
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Not if I was coaching. For better or worse, if I was Will Hardy, I’d know exactly how I feel about all of the young guys because they’re getting featured roles and consistent minutes in my rotation.

I’m still bullish on Sexton, but I could see them trade him for decent assets at some point. Clarkson and Collins get their roles reduced and either traded for somebody else’s 2 year contracts, or I wait until next year and package them as part of a big move for another star to pair with Lauri. I’m still in asset accumulation mode right now and will go “all in” next offseason.
 
I will be blunt: signing Svi and Eubanks while at the same time letting Dunn and Fontecchio go has zero sense if the Jazz are going to execute any reasonable long-term strategy.

If the Jazz are going to tank and give young players heavy minutes then Svi and Eubanks are simply blocking them and getting a meaningless win or two. If the Jazz is about accumulating assets then they could have used the cap space they wasted on Svi and Eubanks to take a bad player in exchange for a pick. Or simply to sign a risky player who has a good chance to become better and outperform his contract (Svi and Eubanks are exactly what they are and will not suddenly flourish). If the Jazz are going to compete then it makes no sense to bring Svi and Eubanks while letting Dunn go at the same time. Or trading Fontecchio .

The latest moves by the Jazz make sense only if their strategy is to continue doing exactly what they have been doing in the past two years: be mildly competitive and, thus, put butts in the seats and finish just outside the play-in. While hoping at the same time that someone drafted in the late lottery/late first round turns out to be a star and patiently waiting for a hoped-for collapse of the Wolves or Cavs. This is the worst imaginable strategy basketball-wise but, likely, the safest and most profitable for the team owner.
 
Coach Ellis said:
Not if I was coaching. For better or worse, if I was Will Hardy, I’d know exactly how I feel about all of the young guys because they’re getting featured roles and consistent minutes in my rotation.

I’m still bullish on Sexton, but I could see them trade him for decent assets at some point. Clarkson and Collins get their roles reduced and either traded for somebody else’s 2 year contracts, or I wait until next year and package them as part of a big move for another star to pair with Lauri. I’m still in asset accumulation mode right now and will go “all in” next offseason.
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Hardy really needs to get with the (tank) program this year. Hopefully he’s smart enough to play ball.
 
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