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Utah Jazz @ Dallas Mavericks Friday 1/27 6:30pm (MT)

Darkwing Duck said:
What really bothered me was the double teaming. Sure, start the game doing that since Marion was good last week doing that, but when the threes start falling, and Hayward did well one on one a couple of times, they still doubled most of the time.

What also irked me was Jefferson slapping at the ball in the post. It's Brendan Haywood. Solid position D with hands up and he can't do a damn thing.
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I look at the double teaming as a system issue. Ty's teaching it, the team is following. But yeah, Hayward was doing fine on the Marion posts (as one example) and the command should have gone out to tighten up on the outside and let him go one on one. I'm guessing we'll be more flexible once guys have more experience, but who knows. On the flip side, Dallas made an absurd percentage at the 3.
 
billyshelby said:
Actually, CJ was trying to take advantage of Terry guarding him. On the first fall away, it was an inbounds. Right after the inbounds he posted Terry but it was legitimately blocked. But there were two other shots after that where CJ showed his immaturity. He saw Terry on him and settled for the easy J's which missed. CJ should have been driving on Terr. But he took the shots fast just because he didn't want to lose the opportunity. 1 for 4 as I recall.
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It was one particular play. CJ is not hitting the step back fall-away. Taking the huge step backward and to the side. It's the cross pick and roll. Start in the 1-4 set. Pass to the wing, the big on that side cuts to the weak side block, conveniently hoping to get in the way of the big guarding the weak side big, who sprints over to set the pick for the wing. CJ tried to jump the defender by surprise, by going away from the pick. Defender wasn't fooled, so CJ went for the step back, with me saying no the second the ball hit the floor.
 
billyshelby said:
I look at the double teaming as a system issue. Ty's teaching it, the team is following. But yeah, Hayward was doing fine on the Marion posts (as one example) and the command should have gone out to tighten up on the outside and let him go one on one. I'm guessing we'll be more flexible once guys have more experience, but who knows. On the flip side, Dallas made an absurd percentage at the 3.
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Which is why I was more than okay with starting the game double teaming, but once they started hitting the threes, and Hayward proved capable shutting Marion down, they should have gone away from double teaming, and they didn't really do that that much.
 
Darkwing Duck said:
It was one particular play. CJ is not hitting the step back fall-away. Taking the huge step backward and to the side. It's the cross pick and roll. Start in the 1-4 set. Pass to the wing, the big on that side cuts to the weak side block, conveniently hoping to get in the way of the big guarding the weak side big, who sprints over to set the pick for the wing. CJ tried to jump the defender by surprise, by going away from the pick. Defender wasn't fooled, so CJ went for the step back, with me saying no the second the ball hit the floor.
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Are you talking about the 4th quarter shot he took? CJ's worst shot of the night was a semi-step back on the right key with Terry guarding him (I think). All I remember was thinking that CJ was too excited about shooting over Terry that he lost all sense. Like a YMCA guy shoots over a guy 4 inches shorter than him in the gym. That was a bad shot. But is that the shot you're talking about?
 
billyshelby said:
Are you talking about the 4th quarter shot he took? CJ's worst shot of the night was a semi-step back on the right key with Terry guarding him (I think). All I remember was thinking that CJ was too excited about shooting over Terry that he lost all sense. Like a YMCA guy shoots over a guy 4 inches shorter than him in the gym. That was a bad shot. But is that the shot you're talking about?
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Looks like it. Don't remember another shot in that vicinity.
 
Darkwing Duck said:
Which is why I was more than okay with starting the game double teaming, but once they started hitting the threes, and Hayward proved capable shutting Marion down, they should have gone away from double teaming, and they didn't really do that that much.
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We're in total agreement. But Marion only posted on Hayward like 5 times total. The bigger problem with 3's had to do with guys who don't normally make those shots hitting them. Odom and Beaubois? Normally you pay those guys to shoot those. But tonight, they killed us.
 
Ugh, add Beaubois' name to a list of average players who for some reason kills the Jazz...sigh.
 
I know we lost by double digits, but I cannot help feeling the jazz played well and they were really in this game and there was a lot of positive may by them. Terry really did hit some crazily hard shots at times and the treys were daggers. It is hard to wait, but in a couple of years this team really should b good.
 
The Jazz offense was great this game. Hayward played great...he defended Marion really well.. Marion's been on a tear recently and Hayward got the matchup there.
The Mavs have Jazz's number on defense. They're able to get any shot on the Jazz and the Jazz had terrible rotations on D.
 
Wow we get within 2 and then Corbin decides to put in the worst combination you can think of to start the 4th.
 
1. So sick of Beaubois. The name, that face, those moves.
2. A lot of talk before the game about "Taking it out on Dallas", was just that. Talk.
3. Hated our perfomance, and energy tonight.
4. Defense was hard to watch.
5. Sick of Burks not playing more mins. He has to get 10 mins a game.
6. Earl's had two bad games in a row. Feels strange to say.
7. It's hard to remember Howard being good. When was the last time he had a good game? With the injury, and last 2. Sigh.
8. We're going to take it out on the Kings tonight ;-)
 
Revolution 9 said:
1. So sick of Beaubois. The name, that face, those moves.
2. A lot of talk before the game about "Taking it out on Dallas", was just that. Talk.
3. Hated our perfomance, and energy tonight.
4. Defense was hard to watch.
5. Sick of Burks not playing more mins. He has to get 10 mins a game.
6. Earl's had two bad games in a row. Feels strange to say.
7. It's hard to remember Howard being good. When was the last time he had a good game? With the injury, and last 2. Sigh.
8. We're going to take it out on the Kings tonight ;-)
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This.
 
Kanter aggressive offense seems mostly ignored, even here. Give the kid some big credit, by the time he was put on the floor the game was in in big time jeopardy. So for the first time ever, he became aggressive on offense. And we get a taste of what this young man can become. Did some comparisons with big Al/Kanter on a per/minute basis. Given 32 minutes a game big Al would average 17.7 & 8.9 boards. Young Kanter would come in at 11.8 points and 11.5 boards. Keep in mind that Al is always the first or second offensive option. While Kanter has never been on anyone's radar. Maybe once a game he would receive the ball and try to make a move on his own, last night he asserted himself repeatedly and i really liked what i saw.

Differing opinions are welcomed and expected.
 
udflyer said:
Nice analysis of the game from slcdunk.


https://www.slcdunk.com/2012/1/28/2754069/jazz-101-mavs-117-game-17-review
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Interesting, yes, but way way too much of the musical analogies.

I liked this: "Al, Josh, you're great guys and I really appreciate you coming back to play as soon as possible. But we're getting killed by their quick guys tonight. You just aren't 100% and more than anything right now, to win this game we need guys who can move defensively. Don't take this as an insult. Don't worry about your playing time next week. We just need people who have their A-game to try to stop the Mavs tonight."

I also agree with him about Hayward doing a lot more than the stat sheet shows. If he can ever come up with a shot around the key, a floater, runner, pull-up j, he could really be something. Right now not quite enough hops or speed to finish at the rim.
 
Terrible game. No effort by 80% of the players and the few that played good didn't get enough minutes(kanter, burks). Jefferson should have stayed out, you could see he was not at 100%. Also Miles was horrible to watch and was the main reason of the offensive slump after it got close in the third imo. Kanter deserves more minutes than favors.

Corbin is slumping in the last games. The roster rotation and player management is looking like the first few games again.

Also for me it looks like there is too much help D when the opponent plays slowly(post up for example) and not enough when it gets quicker(pick and rolls). Dallas punished too much help D in both games against us. Every big man we have is able to defend any opposing big man. They should realise that our interior D is our strong point and the perimeter D is worse and by double teaming they force the ball to get to our weak spot.
 
I loved Kanter's aggressiveness last night. He put up huge numbers considering his minutes. 12 pts. 7 rebounds 1 block, 1 steal in less than 13 minutes. I thought he deserved more minutes. One thing I noticed about Kanter offensively is that he needs to move out just a little more on the block so when he spins he isn't under the backboard. He also needs to develop a little jump hook coming across the lane so he isn't so predictable.

I still don't get why Burks doesn't play more. He hustles on defense and he can create his own shot which is necessary when you play a team like Dallas. If AJ and Howard were not 100 percent then they shouldn't play. There is plenty of depth on the team to compensate for injuries. Overall the performance was pathetic and shockingly the same as in the past. Jazz are not good enough to go through the motions.
 
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