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Of course you and I and millions of others will recognize the absurdity of it all
LOL. We're in a thread started by you that pushes the idea of overthrowing the US Constitution. A week ago Fran Lebowitz went on Bill Maher's show to urge Biden to dissolve the Supreme Court. Although Trump got a the details wrong, the 2020 election was stolen, and the 2024 election was stolen, and the 2028 election, and so on, and so on, all by legal changes to the way our voting system works. We will never see a GOP President ever again. That era is over. The era of two-party politics has been stolen.

If you want an example of totally fake history that has been adopted as official curriculum by many public schools, Try the 1619 Project. Nearly every real historian in the country, right, left, and center, has trashed that as pro-hate grievance propaganda dressed as pseudo-history, but that hasn't stopped schools from teaching it.

All of the things you claim to fear are you and you recognize none of it. The authoritarian you are so worried will take power is someone you'll vote into office and will cheer loudly as they strip away what used to be constitutionally protected rights.
 
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How funny would it be if the hurricane went straight to Mar A Logo and just sat there for a day and a half? Nothing is left other than the remaining classified documents Trump managed to hide and they are scattered all over the rubble.

That could possibly cause me to find religion.
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How funny would it be if the hurricane went straight to Mar A Logo and just sat there for a day and a half? Nothing is left other than the remaining classified documents Trump managed to hide and they are scattered all over the rubble.

That could possibly cause me to find religion.
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Maybe democrats really do have weather control machines?
 
We're just happy for you that you can string more than one thought together.

Was a rough day friend of 20 years died Sunday night. His son and I worked together nearly everyday for most of the last 20 years, its like another loss in the family.

Just speaking for myself here, if trump wins my life will continue on in pretty much the same fashion as it has been. Same for if Kamala wins.

Civil war is so stupid imo.

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I'm not so sure about this, if Trump wins and starts rolling out the policies of project 2025 and basically starts to dismantle significant pillars of the American state. The damage that could be done to education, law enforcement, the environment, civil rights could be huge. Additionally if Trump pursues his isolationist foreign policy it will be a disaster for the global balance of power.
 
I caught this talk on CSpan a couple of days ago. Obviously, we have problems presently in our body politic. The many political threads demonstrate that fact. One need not agree with his conclusions to appreciate this legal scholar’s thoughtful look at what we may need to do.


Has the U.S. Constitution become a threat to American democracy? Does it need to be dramatically changed or replaced if secession is to be avoided?

Join us in-person or online as Erwin Chemerinsky returns to Commonwealth Club World Affairs to share his deeply troubled thoughts of the Constitution’s inherent flaws. The dean of the UC Berkeley law school came to the sobering conclusion that our nearly 250-year-old founding document is responsible for the crisis now facing American democracy.

Chemerinsky points out that just 15 of the 11,848 amendments proposed since 1789 have passed, and he contends that the very nature of our polarization results from the Constitution’s “bad bones,” which have created a government that no longer works or has the confidence of the public. Yet he says political Armageddon can still be avoided if a new constitutional convention is empowered to replace the Constitution of 1787, much as the Founding Fathers replaced the outdated Articles of Confederation. And if that’s not possible? He has an even more radical proposal: That Americans must give serious thought to forms of secession―including a United States structured like the European Union―based on a recognition that what divides us as a country is, in fact, greater than what unites us.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DWxA2Fxl4E


Really interesting structural analysis. He made some excellent points, top post. Democratising the electoral college and increasing the number of house of reps members is achievable and a very good start. Then dismantling the jerrymander and creating an independent federal electoral commission to draw electoral boundaries would be a another move that wouldn't require constitutional change. Constitutions are by and large very hard to change, predominately change will come with constitutional crisis, typically when political parties stop following customary norms. (waving at you the supreme court) Fixing the court will be problematic cause its so politicised.
 
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Sounds like he’s going to try using misinformation to ride two hurricanes into the Oval Office. It will be interesting, and likely outrageous, to hear his reaction to Milton’s landfall. This is what Strongmen do, where truth is concerned.



Following Hurricane Helene, and with another storm on the way, Trump is falsely claiming the White House is diverting disaster relief aid to unrelated migrant programs. This is false, but Trump, while president, did repurpose FEMA funds to help finance his hardline immigration policies.


The Republican nominee often insists that his legal troubles are proof of Democratic election interference. But he’s the one who tried to subvert the will of voters in 2020 in the most flagrant attempt to overturn an election in American history.

Trump also accuses the Biden administration of weaponizing justice against him. But the then-president in 2020 went on a late-night Twitter tirade demanding the jailing of his political enemies, warning that Biden shouldn’t be allowed to run for president, and asking, “Where are all of the arrests?”

Given his attempt to squelch democracy and to steal Biden’s win four years ago, it was rich for the ex-president to warn in Wisconsin on Sunday that if he doesn’t win in November, “Some people say you’ll never have an election again.”

On Monday, on Hugh Hewitt’s radio show, the ex-president – whose administration was famous for “alternative facts” and who uttered thousands of documented lies while in office – made one of his most brazen complaints yet about his Democratic opponent, saying of Harris, “Everything she says is a lie, you know, is a total lie.”

It’s not exactly news that Trump often has a distant relationship with facts. And many politicians fib — an industry of fact checkers is proof of that. Democratic vice presidential candidate Tim Walz, for instance, has had to answer for questionable statements about his military record and whether he was in Hong Kong during the crackdown on China’s Tiananmen Square protests in 1989. And the Minnesota governor made false claims as recently as Sunday about the former president’s stance on abortion and the state of the economy when he left office in January 2021.

But no modern politician has built a presidency on such outrageous untruths as Trump. And the ex-president has never really hidden what he’s up to. In one of the most revealing moments of his political career, before the Veterans of Foreign Wars convention in Kansas City in 2018, the 45th president told his supporters that he was their only reliable source of reality. “Stick with us. Don’t believe the crap you see from these people, the fake news,” Trump said. “What you’re seeing and what you’re reading is not what’s happening.”

And the name of the former president’s social media network, “Truth Social,” is a knowing attempt to rebrand falsehood as fact.
 
The Trump supporters here approve of this. They approve of Trump hurting the efforts to help Americans affected by Hurricane Helene. They would rather support Trump, who, in turn, prefers to make matters worse for those affected. There’s no way around that simple fact: a couple of our posters prefer to see Trump damage the recovery efforts. Don’t ya? Even Republican leaders in affected states understand their boy is hurting Americans. And it’s deliberate.

 
The Trump supporters here approve of this. They approve of Trump hurting the efforts to help Americans affected by Hurricane Helene. They would rather support Trump, who, in turn, prefers to make matters worse for those affected. There’s no way around that simple fact: a couple of our posters prefer to see Trump damage the recovery efforts. Don’t ya? Even Republican leaders in affected states understand their boy is hurting Americans. And it’s deliberate.




I found this ****ing hilarious
 
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