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When peace on Earth has not been achieved.

When eggs and milk are still expensive.

When gas is more expensive than it is now.

When health care is even less affordable.

When buying your first home is no more realistic than it is today.

We gonna give Trump a pass on that? I'm thinking we'll just go with giving Trump a pass on that. I mean what could he do? Biden ****ed it all up so bad. What could he do?
 
When peace on Earth has not been achieved.

When eggs and milk are still expensive.

When gas is more expensive than it is now.

When health care is even less affordable.

When buying your first home is no more realistic than it is today.

We gonna give Trump a pass on that? I'm thinking we'll just go with giving Trump a pass on that. I mean what could he do? Biden ****ed it all up so bad. What could he do?
He doesn't get sworn in for just shy of 3 months from now. You're expecting a lot to get accomplished in 9 months.
 
He doesn't get sworn in for just shy of 3 months from now. You're expecting a lot to get accomplished in 9 months.
Lets say two years after being sworn in. That work for you?

You'll give him a pass, right? You will be cool with whatever Trump does. Just own up to it now to avoid later embarrassment.
 
Ok. Give him a timeframe that you think is fair.
Four years with a two-year mid-term look to see if we should pull back some support in who is elected to the Legislative Branch. In four years it is fair to ask if things are better for you than they were four years ago.
 
You'll give him a pass, right?
I find it amusing how far you are moving the goalposts. A week ago you seemed sure Trump would dissolve the legislative and judicial checks on power to become a totalitarian dictator who imposed a top-down centralized economy as is the defining characteristic of all fascist governments. He would dispose of the first amendment to facilitate his use of the US military against those he disagreed with politically. And now you want to condemn him if housing isn't more affordable after he's in office for 9 months.

Let's give him four years and either way we'll pick someone other than Donald Trump to sit in the oval office four years from now. Until then, let's hope for the best.
 
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I find it amusing how far you are moving the goalposts. A week ago you seemed sure Trump would dissolve the legislative and judicial checks on power to become a totalitarian dictator who imposed a top-down centralized economy as is the defining characteristic of all fascist governments. He would dispose of the first amendment to facilitate his use of the US military against those he disagreed with politically. And now you want to condemn him if housing isn't more affordable after he's in office for 9 months.

Let's give him four years and either way we'll pick someone other than Donald Trump to sit in the oval office. Until then, let's hope for the best.
You got a post by me to that effect?
 
Four years with a two-year mid-term look to see if we should pull back some support in who is elected to the Legislative Branch. In four years it is fair to ask if things are better for you than they were four years ago.

Ahh. he's hedging :(

I find it amusing how far you are moving the goalposts. A week ago you seemed sure Trump would dissolve the legislative and judicial checks on power to become a totalitarian dictator who imposed a top-down centralized economy as is the defining characteristic of all fascist governments. He would dispose of the first amendment to facilitate his use of the US military against those he disagreed with politically. And now you want to condemn him if housing isn't more affordable after he's in office for 9 months.

What a mouthful. I think he was pretty specific with his stipulations listed in the opening post no? You don't sound very confident tbh.
 
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When peace on Earth has not been achieved.

When eggs and milk are still expensive.

When gas is more expensive than it is now.

When health care is even less affordable.

When buying your first home is no more realistic than it is today.

We gonna give Trump a pass on that? I'm thinking we'll just go with giving Trump a pass on that. I mean what could he do? Biden ****ed it all up so bad. What could he do?
I’d give any president a pass since they generally have **** all to do with these things.

Biden deserves all the blame he gets for inflation for dumping gasoline stimulus onto an economy that didn’t need it just as Trump deserves all the blame he gets for blowing up the deficit with TCJA and dumping the same. Actually, what Trump did paved the way for what Biden did as he burned up all political capital for controlling deficit, so you can blame Trump for Biden’s inflation if it makes you feel better.
 
I’d give any president a pass since they generally have **** all to do with these things.

Biden deserves all the blame he gets for inflation for dumping gasoline stimulus onto an economy that didn’t need it just as Trump deserves all the blame he gets for blowing up the deficit with TCJA and dumping the same. Actually, what Trump did paved the way for what Biden did as he burned up all political capital for controlling deficit, so you can blame Trump for Biden’s inflation if it makes you feel better.
The first part of your post is correct. Which is why it's dumb to vote based on stuff being cheaper under trump.

The second part of your post is way off. Now giving people more money (stimulus checks) can and does often effect the demand side of things and can hurt inflation. And I guess trump and Biden could have chose not to give those checks and instead went with more homelessness and higher crime instead. Remember that those checks were given because many peoples income was severely limited by government shutdowns (this also lowered prices on things due to demand decreasing) and they were going out to those of us who make the least amount of money in the first place with the idea being that the money would be spent on necessities and paying bills.

What you fail to mention here is the real cause of inflation. Worldwide production shutting down. Supply severely going down across the entire world. See, Biden and trump didn't give stimulus checks to China, Italy, Spain, Germany etc. but all those countries have worse inflation and worse economies than we do.

trump basically won this election because of world-wide production shutdowns that happened during his administration lol.

Now you are probably like most people and would rather not give any validity to information provided to you by someone else so lets just forget everything I posted and go with your theory that stimulus checks caused all the issues (even though I already pointed out that stimulus checks are not the common denominator in the worldwide inflation and recession we are seeing. Limited supply/supply chain issues are the common denominator). Even with stimulation of the economy being the driving force for inflation people are still voting for trump for stupid reasons. Eliza Huge said he is voting for trump because trump will put more money in our pockets and give us more spending power to afford these high prices! Sounds like trump is going to stimulate the economy by giving us more money. Which according to you will cause inflation (I agree btw). If trump cuts taxes across the board then we will all have more money (the deficit will balloon but no one REALLY cares about that) and we will all spend more which is great but the market will have to adjust to the higher demand and raise prices eventually to balance it out. More inflation.

People want their cake and eat it too. They want lots of money AND low prices. Those two things are conflicting things in a capitalistic economy. If you want low prices then the best way to achieve that is to make us all have less money causing lower demand. If you want high prices then a great way to do that is to make us all have lots of money to spend causing high demand. Now there can be brief periods of time when we have both lots of money and low prices (relative to the amount of money we have). But the market eventually will correct that utopia economy. In trumps first term when he took over, the economy was already taking off. Prices were low and we were making good income as well. trump decided to throw gasoline on the economy by lowering taxes (he stimulated an economy that didn't need stimulation). When the economy is doing great this a good time to actually raise taxes but trump does things that benefit trump first before America and he didn't want a good strong economy. He wanted the best economy of all time and wanted credit for it and didn't care about long term repurcussions.

He probably has the same plan this time around. Cut taxes everywhere and put more money in our pockets which will boost (stimulate) the economy artificially and get him a bunch of praise from morons. Then eventually the market will correct and prices will go up to balance things just in time for a new president to take the blame.

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I think he was pretty specific with his stipulations listed in the opening post no? You don't sound very confident tbh.
He was also pretty specific in Trump being a fascist, a totalitarian dictator atop a nationalized economy. As for his laundry list, no I'm not confident Trump can do all those things in 9 months or even 4 years. It takes more time to build a thing than it takes to blow it up. What I am confident in is moving in the right direction on those things.
 
I didn't say the things you said I said and the things you quoted don't mean the things you claimed I said.
That is what the word 'fascist' means. The two things all fascism has in common are totalitarian dictatorship and nationalized economy. It is what you said.

You can have a do-over if you want.

With the understanding the two defining characteristics of fascism are totalitarian dictatorships and a nationalized command economy, do you think Trump will be a fascist leader?
 
The first part of your post is correct. Which is why it's dumb to vote based on stuff being cheaper under trump.

The second part of your post is way off. Now giving people more money (stimulus checks) can and does often effect the demand side of things and can hurt inflation. And I guess trump and Biden could have chose not to give those checks and instead went with more homelessness and higher crime instead. Remember that those checks were given because many peoples income was severely limited by government shutdowns (this also lowered prices on things due to demand decreasing) and they were going out to those of us who make the least amount of money in the first place with the idea being that the money would be spent on necessities and paying bills.

What you fail to mention here is the real cause of inflation. Worldwide production shutting down. Supply severely going down across the entire world. See, Biden and trump didn't give stimulus checks to China, Italy, Spain, Germany etc. but all those countries have worse inflation and worse economies than we do.

trump basically won this election because of world-wide production shutdowns that happened during his administration lol.

Now you are probably like most people and would rather not give any validity to information provided to you by someone else so lets just forget everything I posted and go with your theory that stimulus checks caused all the issues (even though I already pointed out that stimulus checks are not the common denominator in the worldwide inflation and recession we are seeing. Limited supply/supply chain issues are the common denominator). Even with stimulation of the economy being the driving force for inflation people are still voting for trump for stupid reasons. Eliza Huge said he is voting for trump because trump will put more money in our pockets and give us more spending power to afford these high prices! Sounds like trump is going to stimulate the economy by giving us more money. Which according to you will cause inflation (I agree btw). If trump cuts taxes across the board then we will all have more money (the deficit will balloon but no one REALLY cares about that) and we will all spend more which is great but the market will have to adjust to the higher demand and raise prices eventually to balance it out. More inflation.

People want their cake and eat it too. They want lots of money AND low prices. Those two things are conflicting things in a capitalistic economy. If you want low prices then the best way to achieve that is to make us all have less money causing lower demand. If you want high prices then a great way to do that is to make us all have lots of money to spend causing high demand. Now there can be brief periods of time when we have both lots of money and low prices (relative to the amount of money we have). But the market eventually will correct that utopia economy. In trumps first term when he took over, the economy was already taking off. Prices were low and we were making good income as well. trump decided to throw gasoline on the economy by lowering taxes (he stimulated an economy that didn't need stimulation). When the economy is doing great this a good time to actually raise taxes but trump does things that benefit trump first before America and he didn't want a good strong economy. He wanted the best economy of all time and wanted credit for it and didn't care about long term repurcussions.

He probably has the same plan this time around. Cut taxes everywhere and put more money in our pockets which will boost (stimulate) the economy artificially and get him a bunch of praise from morons. Then eventually the market will correct and prices will go up to balance things just in time for a new president to take the blame.

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You sure do get worked up. No doubt supply side played a major role in both inflation going up and coming back down. So did Biden’s overstimulus, when many economists argued it wasn’t necessary. It’s pretty obvious in hindsight it wasn’t, at least not on the scale he used. So did monetary policy being over easy for too long. Sure stimulus was needed. Sure monetary tools were necessary. That doesn’t mean they weren’t overdone.

If you want sources, well, the bigguns are still fighting this out so giving select few would only be for bias. Can provide all sides. No thanks.
 
You sure do get worked up. No doubt supply side played a major role in both inflation going up and coming back down. So did Biden’s overstimulus, when many economists argued it wasn’t necessary. It’s pretty obvious in hindsight it wasn’t, at least not on the scale he used. So did monetary policy being over easy for too long. Sure stimulus was needed. Sure monetary tools were necessary. That doesn’t mean they weren’t overdone.

If you want sources, well, the bigguns are still fighting this out so giving select few would only be for bias. Can provide all sides. No thanks.
I really wish biden and trump wouldn't have given those stimulus checks to germany, france, italy, spain, china, etc and caused all of their worse inflation and recessions. Just the icing on the cake.
 
Wealth inequality could become a destabilizing factor as it continues to increase. Trump might want to keep that in mind if he goes for more handouts to the rich, although I'm sure he doesn't care.



"As of the second quarter of 2024 the top 10% of households had an average of $6.9 million and held 67% of total American wealth.

The bottom 50% of households had an average of $51,000 and just 2.5% of total household wealth."

 
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