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Following Potential 2025 Draftees

Saint Cy of JFC said:
Same person who said Edey wouldnt go in the first round
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I thought she was reporting what scouts were saying?https://x.com/harper04_5/status/1863690289002545152?s=46

kabenac said:
I want Ace Bailey and I want him at shooting guard. If we draft Ace I'm dancing The Bailey Shuffle.
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he’s underwhelming to me. I’m not sure I want him.
KqWIN said:
It definitely matters.
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No it doesn’t. He’s going to get drafted here, he can’t play anywhere else. Not much he can do, and he’ll be here at least 7 years. Right now he’s number one on my draft board.
 
SoberasHotRod said:
Egor still hasn't had a great game against a good team. I'm just waiting to get fully on board that train.

Luckily he'll have a ton of opportunities against a really good Big12 this year.
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Yep. I thought it was weird people were putting him top 5 and I'm a huge BYU fan and a homer.

Having said that, the providence game was one of those games that only happen once a year or so. Extremely off night for the whole team.



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HermanG said:
Lauri may be ablo to play with anyone but the fact that no one is a misfit with Lauri doesnt mean that all fits with him are equal.

Using the top pick on a playmaking ballhandler vs a guy who is more of an offball player... the potential fit difference is pretty substantial. Drafting a guy who can draw maximum benefits from Lauri's gravity and who could also feed him if defenses arent respecting him has the potential to create an elite pair.
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That's fair, although it's not the same importance to me as a situation where two players cannot play together. You may be lacking in some areas, but it's ok to find puzzle pieces later IMO. But this is something I would consider fit whereas being an empty stats player is not really something I would consider fit because it has everything to do with the individual and not the team he's going to. An empty stats guy is empty stats wherever he goes.

With that said, how much can you think about drafting a 19 year old because of a28 year old if they can still play together? I love Lauri, but the unfortunate reality is that this quick rebuild because less and less likely the more we tanked. Lauri is good enough to be considered when you're making a selection, but given the circumstances and his versatility I'm still going into the draft with a complete blank slate.

One way to think about drafting for fit is, "when are you willing to draft someone that you think is worse?". If you have two guys tiered up the same and can't decided who is better in a vacuum, by all means start looking at fit as a tiebreaker. But for our first pick in this upcoming draft, there's basically no wiggle room or situation where I wouldn't take the guy I think is best because of the way he fits with anyone in Utah. Looking at the draft board though, I don't think there would be any issue across the top prospects. Consequences of having almost no established pieces on the team.
 
KqWIN said:
That's fair, although it's not the same importance to me as a situation where two players cannot play together. You may be lacking in some areas, but it's ok to find puzzle pieces later IMO. But this is something I would consider fit whereas being an empty stats player is not really something I would consider fit because it has everything to do with the individual and not the team he's going to. An empty stats guy is empty stats wherever he goes.

With that said, how much can you think about drafting a 19 year old because of a28 year old if they can still play together? I love Lauri, but the unfortunate reality is that this quick rebuild because less and less likely the more we tanked. Lauri is good enough to be considered when you're making a selection, but given the circumstances and his versatility I'm still going into the draft with a complete blank slate.

One way to think about drafting for fit is, "when are you willing to draft someone that you think is worse?". If you have two guys tiered up the same and can't decided who is better in a vacuum, by all means start looking at fit as a tiebreaker. But for our first pick in this upcoming draft, there's basically no wiggle room or situation where I wouldn't take the guy I think is best because of the way he fits with anyone in Utah. Looking at the draft board though, I don't think there would be any issue across the top prospects. Consequences of having almost no established pieces on the team.
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Well the FO has said they wanna build around Lauri. If that is true then most of your logic goes down the toilet and they only really have 2 options:

Either they draft with the fit as a high priority or they make some trade(s) to either move up/down or to acquire a guy.

But I guess your argument is that their intentions are fake and it may be so.
 
HermanG said:
Well the FO has said they wanna build around Lauri. If that is true then most of your logic goes down the toilet and they only really have 2 options:

Either they draft with the fit as a high priority or they make some trade(s) to either move up/down or to acquire a guy.

But I guess your argument is that their intentions are fake and it may be so.
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GMs are like politicians. They always lying. The only times they tell the truth when its convenient to fit my personal narrative on how I see things. Just an FYI
 
HermanG said:
Well the FO has said they wanna build around Lauri. If that is true then most of your logic goes down the toilet and they only really have 2 options:

Either they draft with the fit as a high priority or they make some trade(s) to either move up/down or to acquire a guy.

But I guess your argument is that their intentions are fake and it may be so.
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It's not that their intentions are fake, although I do think it becomes more likely as time goes on that building around Lauri is less likely. But that's not really the point.

My logic is this:

1) Having two players that can play together, but still leave holes on the roster is not the same thing as having two players that cannot play together. The former matters, just not nearly as much as the latter. Lauri is one of the easiest fitting players to begin with, so no matter how much you consider him it's not really a huge deal.

2) You do not have to put all the puzzle pieces together immediately, the Jazz roster isn't going to be set after this one draft. For example, the Jazz need a ball handler....but that doesn't need we need to draft the best lead ball handler. If you think Flagg and Harper are on the same tier without much separation, that is when I think you can start to think about fit. But if you think Flagg is better than Harper, I wouldn't draft Harper (or anyone else who you don't believe is as good as Flagg) because that player is a better fit. Flagg would still leave you with a need for on ball creation, but you don't have to try to resolve that through the draft.

I don't think they're in this dilemma that you presented where they must draft for fit or trade. I think they can simply take the guy they believe is the best player available wherever they pick.
 
I think we're getting to the point where it becomes more and more clear the Jazz won't have any chance of contention until Lauri is 32+ years old and may not have the ability to defend anymore.

Out of all the star prospects in the two drafts, only really Boozer is ready to go now. Like, if the Jazz get a top 2 pick (which is only 27.4%) and get Flagg or Harper, these guys are probably 3-5 years away from being able to be like a #1 guy on a contending team.

With Hendricks' development being delayed by the injury and Cody being two years away from being two years away, it's just going to be many years until they can try to contend and it's not clear what Lauri will be like by the time that arrives.
 
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