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Do you care about how Utah and Mormons are perceived?

Really? What a sad myopic perspective you have. Then I’ll encourage you to widen your field of vision. Christ, the founder of your religion certainly didn’t teach that his followers should prioritize only their families. We’d live in a pretty sad little world if all anyone cared about was their own immediate families.
No thriller, I remember Christ saying **** the sick, **** the poor, **** those in need, **** the Democrats, **** the hungry, **** the left, **** the tired, and **** your neighbor.
Thee is just living those teachings of Christ.
 
Really? What a sad myopic perspective you have. Then I’ll encourage you to widen your field of vision. Christ, the founder of your religion certainly didn’t teach that his followers should prioritize only their families. We’d live in a pretty sad little world if all anyone cared about was their own immediate families. Just think about where we’d be as a country if people merely concerned themselves with their immediate families and never prioritized those less fortunate, different, or those in society whom you’d never interact with inside your own home. It’s really odd to me because as an educator, I’ve made a career out of caring about those in my classroom, school, and university who are different than I.

Then again, failure to care about those outside of one’s immediate family or tribe is an attitude I’ve seen increase on the right in my lifetime. What a sad development. A moral failure IMO. What good is religion if it doesn’t prompt one to act for the good of society? Your own LDS religion teaches that serving god is key to inheriting the kingdom of god and one cannot inherit the kingdom without serving others. I don’t think you get there by merely caring about those inside your home.
My family is my strength. All my values and everything I believe in and my goals in life come from them.

I truly believe that strong family ties leads to a happy life and my direction is straighter and clearer with a happy fulfilling life and it opens so many avenues. Sad that you don’t see this.
 
My family is my strength. All my values and everything I believe in and my goals in life come from them.

I truly believe that strong family ties leads to a happy life and my direction is straighter and clearer with a happy fulfilling life and it opens so many avenues. Sad that you don’t see this.
How does your family transfer this strength to you? You had no values or beliefs before you had your family? I'm glad your life is "straighter" than it would have been had you not had your family.

Oh, I see it.

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As a believing member of the LDS Church let me add a couple of thoughts to the thread.

As human beings we all care, or at least should care, what others think of us. We are social beings who try to make sense of the world we live in. So the narrative we build for ourselves matters. Shows that stretch the truth to entertain make members of the church fit a narrative that is often easy to dismiss, ridicule, laugh at, or disdain. The Church and its teachings and culture have been a powerful source for good in my life. So negative portrayals of the restored church of Jesus Christ concern me. They just make it easier for other people to put me (& us as members) in narrative that doesn't fit at all.

Several posters have intimated that American Primeval shaped their opinions of Brigham Young, and the Mormons "extremely violent past". The movie is entertainment, not history. Any objective reading of history shows the Mormons were victims of violence far more often than perpetrators. But the narrative of violence will stick in the minds of those who watch the entertaining movie and don't care to read the history. That makes it easier to dismiss the Church and its members as "others", not worthy, or less than. That does worry me.

Another thought is Church members are not all rabid Republicans. I am not a leftist, woke wacko, or liberal nutcase, but I voted for Harris as the only ethical choice. I flew a Harris Walz flag along with my American flag and posted Harris signs in my yard. The comments from members of my ward were all supportive. We even saw several other members/neighbors follow our lead and post their own Harris yard signs. There are many members of the Church who are bitterly opposed to Trump. Check out LDS Women for Ethical Government. ( Sadly, there are also members who support Trump. When I question them on why, they invariably say they don't like his morals but support his policies. When I question which policies, the common thread is abortion. ) My point is don't use a broad brush to paint us members as just similar shades of rightists. My support for Harris was based on my belief system.

The Church encouraged its members to study the issues and vote for candidates that support good causes. In fact Church leadership stressed the danger of party loyalty, and that good can be found in both parties. So don't think that most people in Utah voted for Trump because the Church told them to. The did so because they bought the narrative he was selling.

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How was it?
It was quite good. Especially the first third of the movie. That portion was fantastic. The rest of it was still good but less so.

Overall I recommend it.
 
As a believing member of the LDS Church let me add a couple of thoughts to the thread.

As human beings we all care, or at least should care, what others think of us. We are social beings who try to make sense of the world we live in. So the narrative we build for ourselves matters. Shows that stretch the truth to entertain make members of the church fit a narrative that is often easy to dismiss, ridicule, laugh at, or disdain. The Church and its teachings and culture have been a powerful source for good in my life. So negative portrayals of the restored church of Jesus Christ concern me. They just make it easier for other people to put me (& us as members) in narrative that doesn't fit at all.

Several posters have intimated that American Primeval shaped their opinions of Brigham Young, and the Mormons "extremely violent past". The movie is entertainment, not history. Any objective reading of history shows the Mormons were victims of violence far more often than perpetrators. But the narrative of violence will stick in the minds of those who watch the entertaining movie and don't care to read the history. That makes it easier to dismiss the Church and its members as "others", not worthy, or less than. That does worry me.

Another thought is Church members are not all rabid Republicans. I am not a leftist, woke wacko, or liberal nutcase, but I voted for Harris as the only ethical choice. I flew a Harris Walz flag along with my American flag and posted Harris signs in my yard. The comments from members of my ward were all supportive. We even saw several other members/neighbors follow our lead and post their own Harris yard signs. There are many members of the Church who are bitterly opposed to Trump. Check out LDS Women for Ethical Government. ( Sadly, there are also members who support Trump. When I question them on why, they invariably say they don't like his morals but support his policies. When I question which policies, the common thread is abortion. ) My point is don't use a broad brush to paint us members as just similar shades of rightists. My support for Harris was based on my belief system.

The Church encouraged its members to study the issues and vote for candidates that support good causes. In fact Church leadership stressed the danger of party loyalty, and that good can be found in both parties. So don't think that most people in Utah voted for Trump because the Church told them to. The did so because they bought the narrative he was selling.

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One cannot ignore the historical record of just the last 40 years of statements made by top leaders (Ezra Taft benson) and causes (prop 8). The church puts out statements of neutrality but those statements don’t apply to top leaders, their rhetoric at conference, and political causes led by church leaders. And it’s become so ingrained with church doctrine that it’s hardly noticeable anymore the political charge.

Some examples off the top of my head:

1. Tad Callister’s 2021 sermon against government assistance. One reads this by a prominent leader of the church and can make some pretty clear assumptions about where the church stands politically. I’ve often wondered what a member from Canada, Scandinavia, or Western Europe must think when they read these types of diatribes. To them, is Hollywood or a social safety net really the threats that they’re made out to be here in America?
2. The constant rhetoric often spewed by first counselor Oaks about “religious freedom.” Much like law and order is code for attacking African American communities, This is code for religious bigotry towards the LGBT community. It never actually pertains to schools being free from religious indoctrination or protecting non-Christian religions from Christian persecution.
3. Elder Holland’s “musket fire” talk at BYU (he has apologized for it but the damage has already been done). Btw, have you kept up with what’s happening at byu right now? Yikes.
4. When prevalent LDS politicians and board members clearly abused their positions of authority to bully adults (Google cliven bundy, his son, or Phil Lyman) and dox children (Google Natalie cline) the church remained silent. Yet, when those from the left have made public scenes, they’ve been very publicly rebuked or excommunicated. There’s a clear double standard.

The double standard is, you can use inflammatory rhetoric, lead scores of fellow members into committing unethical and illegal acts, and as long as you’re from the American political right, you’re good. So yeah, the church sends out annual letters read over the pulpit declaring neutrality. But the church clearly isn’t neutral. It is very much melded to American (Republican) politics.
 
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My wife and I took a hard look at the Church, starting with learning to accept an LGBTQ child and attempting to "debunk" the CES letter in discussions with another of our kids, and ending in a support group for sexual abuse survivors in the church who saw the church unequivocally protect and in a few cases actually "promote" their abusers (Bishops who became stake presidents, etc.), leaving them in positions to abuse others. We had the same misgivings you did as well, almost to the letter. We have since left the cult entirely. Some of our family understands, but of course the heavily indoctrinated ones won't even discuss it since discussion about such things gets you excommunicated, since they know that shining a light on the darkness will lead others to leave as well. Abuse children in your official capacity in the church? It's ok we have lawyers for that. Make a few posts on social media questioning anything about the Church? Get called into a court to discuss your apostasy with the stake president. All they care about is PR and keeping the money flowing.
Excellent post.

Why is there fear of excommunication you think?

And if you see something to big you disagree with in the church, who can you talk to without fear of repercussion? To me, this is a huge problem. There’s no “suggestion box.” Your first stop will probably be your bishop or stake president. But then, you’re playing bishop/president roulette. They control your temple recommend and callings. Depending on their tolerance of your questions/concerns, they literally hold your salvation in their hands. Let’s say they do nothing, then what? Email some 70 and get some automated response? Or worse, they email your president or bishop for disciplinary council?

The tribune recently came out with some amazing reporting on byu professors who have questions and how that goes when they bring up questions and concerns with their bishops. It can bring about a loss of employment. Article and podcast here:


View: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/mormon-land/id1289043118?i=1000683221568

I gotta go but I’ll post more later.

I also have severe concerns about bishop’s interviewing children. And covering up child abuse. I really don’t like how bishops have been given the option to report abuse to the police or not. To me, this should be automatic.
 
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