So a year from now...

[fishonjazz]

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Why would Zelensky agree to yet another peace agreement? There have been 12 agreed upon, signed by both parties, agreements, with the first being put into place in 2012. Each and every time, Putin has broken the terms by sending troops into Ukraine unprovoked. Multiple countries have mediated these agreements, the US included. The definition of insanity "doing the same thing over and over again but expecting a different result". Why would he have any faith any agreement would be honored?And the agreement proposed by Trump does not have anywhere near favorable terms for his country- The US gets the rights to not only minerals and rare earth, but ALL other natural resources to the amount of 500 billion dollars. Russia gets Ukraines land. There is no guarantee the US will provide assistance to them against Russia, and any assistance provided must be paid back double (2 dollars for every 1 dollar) - The deal will put his citizens in debt for the next decade, and the country will still not have any guarantees of sovereignty. If our president agreed to a deal like that, we would impeach him.

 

[Al-O-Meter]

I’m just going to post a far better way of determining whether or not Trump is a fascist. For others in this forum who may not realize just how much Trump thinks and talks in a manner that does identify him as fascistic in world view.





View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUW1lCkplSw

This is garbage content for people who want their views affirmed. All of those videos rely on redefining fascism into terms so generic that literally any government on earth through all of human history could be considered fascist. Some of them are so retarded as to go with the argument that leader of this government once made a speech using a sentence that was similar to a sentence used by another leader of a fascist government and so fascism. It is content meant to appeal to morons.

Fascism is a form of socialism with a top-down controlled economy. The United States ain't that and we aren't headed in that direction.

 

[LogGrad98]

I’m just going to post a far better way of determining whether or not Trump is a fascist. For others in this forum who may not realize just how much Trump thinks and talks in a manner that does identify him as fascistic in world view.





View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUW1lCkplSw

I mean its pretty obvious. Those who haven't got it by now, never will.

Fish is spot on. The response from all the true believer cult followers (TBCF's) is the ever-unassailable "NUH-UH" always in all caps. It negates anything you care to say about it, regardless of source. And as more real republicans speak out the response there is "they are bought off by the leftist billionaires, it's all lies and fake news", followed by the standard "NUH-UH". Their faith is unshakable.

 

[LogGrad98]

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Why would Zelensky agree to yet another peace agreement? There have been 12 agreed upon, signed by both parties, agreements, with the first being put into place in 2012. Each and every time, Putin has broken the terms by sending troops into Ukraine unprovoked. Multiple countries have mediated these agreements, the US included. The definition of insanity "doing the same thing over and over again but expecting a different result". Why would he have any faith any agreement would be honored?And the agreement proposed by Trump does not have anywhere near favorable terms for his country- The US gets the rights to not only minerals and rare earth, but ALL other natural resources to the amount of 500 billion dollars. Russia gets Ukraines land. There is no guarantee the US will provide assistance to them against Russia, and any assistance provided must be paid back double (2 dollars for every 1 dollar) - The deal will put his citizens in debt for the next decade, and the country will still not have any guarantees of sovereignty. If our president agreed to a deal like that, we would impeach him.

Yeah and our president is the one proposing the deal. He should be impeached.

 

[idestroyedthetoilet]

I own my stance here 1000%.

If not giving our weapons to Ukraine, and not giving our intelligence products to Ukraine is what it takes to stop Zelensky working against the peace process, then yes I support those actions. It is time to end the dying and destruction. I think the Ukrainian people have won their war and should be very proud of winning against overwhelming odds in a fight most thought they'd lose quickly. I support the people of Ukraine living in the nation their victory ensured. I do not support Zelensky continuing to send people off to die in some mad effort to avenge all those who died before them. It is time to take the 'W' and rebuild.

This is disgusting and repulsive. I’ve had vehement disagreements with people on here yet still think of them as good people acting in good faith. This however is vile and deserves to be called what it is. How any citizen of the free world can support the continued slaughter of innocents, support bullying tactics after reneging on a guarantee, support a stance that emboldens a war criminal who’s actions are causing rape and murder and kidnapping children, and support removal of critical aid knowing full well it will accelerate the rapping and murdering, and accept those lives as collateral damage as you wash your hands clean of it is beyond comprehension. You aren’t suing for peace you are suing for a broken stop gap measure and crying about the teeny tiny “cost”, a cost that hasn’t raised taxes one penny. Your continuous spin, mostly butchered forms of Russia propaganda is weak and transparent. Your butchering and reversing of terms like “warmonger” and “dictator” beyond recognition is not persuading anyone.

You disgust me.

 

[idestroyedthetoilet]

I’m just going to post a far better way of determining whether or not Trump is a fascist. For others in this forum who may not realize just how much Trump thinks and talks in a manner that does identify him as fascistic in world view.





View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUW1lCkplSw

We are clearly in a constitutional crisis. The only question is if the pretend conservatives will wake up before it’s too late. The democrats allowed and promoted abuse of executive power which has turned into Trump acting as dictator. There is no other description for him now.

You want DoE, SNAP, USAID, etc removed? Get it done properly through congress not dictate. Those cheering these actions are anti-democracy and anti-US constitution.

 

[Al-O-Meter]

How any citizen of the free world can support the continued slaughter of innocents

I'm the one who wants the war to end. Our weapons systems and our intelligence products are the best in the world but they are not as effective at preventing people from getting killed as a negotiator who can convince an enemy to stop firing off weapons of war.

There are plenty of American weapons in Ukraine now, and still a missile fired by Russia hit a hotel and killed at least four people. Do you think the families of those four people are happier with the American weapons in the country but their family members dead, or do you think they would have preferred the missile to have never been fired and their family members be alive due to a cease fire being in place? I think they'd prefer the latter.

How many more? How many more? How many more?

 

[Sardines]

Fighting back?

This is disgusting and repulsive. I’ve had vehement disagreements with people on here yet still think of them as good people acting in good faith. This however is vile and deserves to be called what it is. How any citizen of the free world can support the continued slaughter of innocents, support bullying tactics after reneging on a guarantee, support a stance that emboldens a war criminal who’s actions are causing rape and murder and kidnapping children, and support removal of critical aid knowing full well it will accelerate the rapping and murdering, and accept those lives as collateral damage as you wash your hands clean of it is beyond comprehension. You aren’t suing for peace you are suing for a broken stop gap measure and crying about the teeny tiny “cost”, a cost that hasn’t raised taxes one penny. Your continuous spin, mostly butchered forms of Russia propaganda is weak and transparent. Your butchering and reversing of terms like “warmonger” and “dictator” beyond recognition is not persuading anyone.

You disgust me.

That's been my experience with AI. Mostly reasonable conversation, more mostly reasonable conversation, more mostly reasonable conversation, BOOM absolutely disgusting post.

 

[fishonjazz]

I'm the one who wants the war to end in the most unfavorable terms for Ukraine and the most favorable terms for Russia and I definitely want the option for Russia to invade again in the future whenever they want.

Yep

 

[Al-O-Meter]

Yep

Meh. I'm used to it. At least you went to the trouble of writing down the argument you wished I'd made.

 

[fishonjazz]

Meh. I'm used to it. At least you went to the trouble of writing down the argument you wished I'd made.

Your unwillingness to post that Ukraine should get security guarantees or that trump should put them in the deal made it already.

 

[Al-O-Meter]

Your unwillingness to post that Ukraine should get security guarantees or that trump should put them in the deal made it already.

Ukraine should get security guarantees. Happy? Trump isn't the one conducting the negotiations, and the deal at issue isn't a peace treaty or even a cease fire agreement where such guarantees should appear, but there should be some sort of security guarantees in the peace treaty.

What I object to is blowing up peace negotiations using the excuse the peace treaty that doesn't yet exist isn't acceptable, then pulling the logical jujitsu of insisting those who want to end the war want more people to die in the war.