If he makes the All-Star team this year... maybe... just maybe those stupid beyond all belief calls will stop, or slow down or something?
I can dream, right?
Officiating in Jazz-Clippers game
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If he makes the All-Star team this year... maybe... just maybe those stupid beyond all belief calls will stop, or slow down or something?
I can dream, right?
Chad Feldheimer
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You have to dream if you are Jazz fan.
The Los Angeles Clippers had 3 of the top 10 vote getters in the West for the pending All Star Game, (and so did the other LA team , 6 of 10 between them, wow.)
Griffin and Paul were voted starters.
The Jazz destroyed the Clips in their previous game, (without Paul), and Millsap made superstar-dunker Griffin look weak.
Maybe this was coincidence, or common star treatment, but I can see some motive for the league to not see Griffin and co. get embarrassed by Millsap and co. again.
Hopefully its just coincidence, or just one game.
Griffin and Paul were voted starters.
The Jazz destroyed the Clips in their previous game, (without Paul), and Millsap made superstar-dunker Griffin look weak.
Maybe this was coincidence, or common star treatment, but I can see some motive for the league to not see Griffin and co. get embarrassed by Millsap and co. again.
Hopefully its just coincidence, or just one game.
billyshelby
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The problem with complaining about officiating is this: the glaring mistakes are always obvious on TV. But there's countless other plays where TV doesn't get close enough and you can't really tell. So there's no way to do the accounting.
The only thing I'd say about the Clips game is Griffin had 5 fouls relatively early. There were a number of plays from that point on where I wondered if he got the kid gloves treatment. Refs are human, and they don't want to foul out a superstar unless it's clear because they know that 6th foul will be heavily scrutinized (the other 5, of course, get forgotten.)
The only thing I'd say about the Clips game is Griffin had 5 fouls relatively early. There were a number of plays from that point on where I wondered if he got the kid gloves treatment. Refs are human, and they don't want to foul out a superstar unless it's clear because they know that 6th foul will be heavily scrutinized (the other 5, of course, get forgotten.)
billyshelby
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I don't see where subsets of data apply. If 4 egregiously wrong calls happen to team X on TV, we still have to know how the ledger balanced out to decide if Team Y got screwed.
Human error is part of this equation. So I can't get up in arms because the most glaring mistakes in any given game went against us or for us. On virtually every play of every game a guy grunts, glares at the ref, or rubs some part of his hand, arm, or face to express a foul was missed. On TV you can't tell unless there's a replay, and even then replays can be very deceiving.
I didn't watch the clips and I hardly saw any of the game, I just wanted to remark that I have never seen a player so clearly and regularly dogged by refs as Sap has been. If he's in the middle of a fray, it's a no-call (common), if he plays sensible but remotely physical defense, it's a call against him. Millsap's a wonderful guy so it speaks volumes that I'm just now starting to see him crack under the bull **** of the calls he's been getting (or not) over the last 5+ seasons.
billyshelby
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Sap is not helping himself complaining on every offensive possession. He's always glaring or rubbing some part of his head to indicate a foul was missed. And every facial expression he makes is like he's in a hot box in Nam drinking his own urine from a dirty towel.
All guys complain about missed fouls. But he's got to be a little less expressive than he is.
Would you rather have our players having to complain to the ref's over injustices real or perceived... or laughing and high fiving the other players and bench because of flops and fouls called on people for breathing on you?
Sadly refs might respond to enough complaining, but they seem to never change their calls if you let it go. You may hate the complaining, but it is only an attempt at results. This is also why Coaches complain and rip on the refs. Sloan did it, but do you think he did it just for fun? No, he did it for results. Pretty much everything Sloan did and said had an agenda, including what he said to the media.
Sadly refs might respond to enough complaining, but they seem to never change their calls if you let it go. You may hate the complaining, but it is only an attempt at results. This is also why Coaches complain and rip on the refs. Sloan did it, but do you think he did it just for fun? No, he did it for results. Pretty much everything Sloan did and said had an agenda, including what he said to the media.
I agree with Bill, in that I believe that HOW you talk to the refs can effect how they will treat you to a degree, either for better or for worse, although it shouldn't.
I disagree with SPazz about Sloan, I think much of the complaining he did was neither planned nor effective.
I disagree with SPazz about Sloan, I think much of the complaining he did was neither planned nor effective.
At least watch the first play on the first clip, I have never seen anything like it.