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Why the Jazz were so bad defensively?

Why the Jazz were so bad defensively last two years? (up to two options)

  • Ainge prefers drafting/signing offensively gifted players without regard for their defense

    Votes: 5 17.9%
  • The Jazz deliberately made their defense to be bad to lose more games

    Votes: 7 25.0%
  • Hardy is simply a very bad defensive coach

    Votes: 1 3.6%
  • The Jazz want young players to work on offense first: their defense can improve later

    Votes: 2 7.1%
  • Players did not care to play defense on a tanking team

    Votes: 9 32.1%
  • The team is poorly constructed because most players are not meant to be here long-term

    Votes: 7 25.0%
  • It's just a coincidence: no good defensive players were available in recent drafts and trades

    Votes: 3 10.7%
  • Other (please explain)

    Votes: 6 21.4%

  • Total voters
    28
When you’re last 2x in a row, the better question is what isn’t wrong with the defense.
 
Young players are rarely good defenders. Only 3 or 4 have positive numbers each season if that.

We are tanking.

Ainge didn't want us to be good at defense this season, nor did most of us.

Combination of a lot of things.
 
Young players are rarely good defenders. Only 3 or 4 have positive numbers each season if that.

We are tanking.

Ainge didn't want us to be good at defense this season, nor did most of us.
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Combination of a lot of things.
TOs and bricks can give the other team easy points in bunches.
 
Jazz has historically bad back court defenders, what else could happen? It's all on purpose. They traded away the only really good one in Kris Dunn. Clarkson, Sexton, George that has gotten tons of minutes in these tanking seasons are all god awful defenders and too small as well.

E: And yeah, like someone mentioned turn over machines as well.
 
We’ve drafted 6 or more rookies over the last two years, and the jazz got serious about tanking for a full season. Other than Sexton the vets hardly played most the season. Also of all the tanking teams we had the least amount of established players and were the youngest or second youngest team of all the tanking teams. It was just a perfect storm.

If we get the first pick we could see a lineup of…

Kessler
Flagg
Markkanen
Sexton
Collier.

The only minus on that defense is Sexton.
 
We’ve drafted 6 or more rookies over the last two years, and the jazz got serious about tanking for a full season. Other than Sexton the vets hardly played most the season. Also of all the tanking teams we had the least amount of established players and were the youngest or second youngest team of all the tanking teams. It was just a perfect storm.
All of this would make made sense if the Jazz finished with the worst-ever-defense for just the last season. But they did the same in 2023-2024: this season is currently the second worst defensive season all time and the DRTG for it was almost as bad as in the 2024-25.

In 2023-2024 the Jazz did not tank their entire season. Their top 7 players by minutes played were Sexton (vet), Keyonte (rookie), Collins (vet), Markkanen (vet), Clarkson (vet), Kessler (defensively strong 2nd year player) and Dunn (vet, defensive specialist). The next 3 players by minutes were all vets too: Fontecchio, Olynyk, THT. And, still, they were the worst ever.

The data suggest that the reasons something is wrong with the Jazz defense go beyond tanking and playing too many young players.
 
All of this would make made sense if the Jazz finished with the worst-ever-defense for just the last season. But they did the same in 2023-2024: this season is currently the second worst defensive season all time and the DRTG for it was almost as bad as in the 2024-25.

In 2023-2024 the Jazz did not tank their entire season. Their top 7 players by minutes played were Sexton (vet), Keyonte (rookie), Collins (vet), Markkanen (vet), Clarkson (vet), Kessler (defensively strong 2nd year player) and Dunn (vet, defensive specialist). The next 3 players by minutes were all vets too: Fontecchio, Olynyk, THT. And, still, they were the worst ever.

The data suggest that the reasons something is wrong with the Jazz defense go beyond tanking and playing too many young players.
Data absolutely does not suggest what you imply. You just dont know how to read it with the color of glasses you are wearing.

At 2024 trade deadline Jazz DRTG was 117.9, which is not great but it was merely 25th in the league and about the same Mavs had, who made the finals (around 2.5 points better than the currently good defensive team Pistons had for instance). And that includes a porous start to the season when Kessler was injured and we were in shambles defensively, giving up 130+ on multiple occasions (150+ even). Following that trade DL the end of that season was the most blatant tank run of this regime where Keyonte, Brice, Hendricks, Bazley, Lofton, THT etc got big minutes and we went like 2-20 or something...

You could maybe see these things if you werent so hell bent on pushing your agenda. Its simply wrong.
 
Hanging onto 25th best defense for half a season as gotcha (as in we’re not as bad as you think) shows just how bad the state of our defense is.
 
Hanging onto 25th best defense for half a season as gotcha (as in we’re not as bad as you think) shows just how bad the state of our defense is.
Supporting a resident drama queen who misuses statistics out of context to support his smear campaign against Hardy, Lauri, Ainge and pretty much everyone.... is.... something.

Anyone with half a brain knows we havent been good defensively.
 
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