Coach Ellis
Well-Known Member
I’m interested at the right price. Jazz better know they want him though - Sexton just proved that if you don’t want that guy long term, it’s going to cost you a Nurkic and a pick to move off him.
Jazz trade John collins
- Thread starter Park Bites
- Start date
David Stern
Well-Known Member
Just to add onto this, the NBA 10+ vet minimum is $3.6M. So if we assume buyouts for KLove and Anderson where they give back what they’d make on the min (standard practice), that’s an additional $7.2M in potential cap space.
So if we go for a Kuminga deal with outright cap space, it could start out at around $26M. This is an important number because it should push the Warriors past the first apron.
Other posts detail how they could absorb Love and Anderson into an exception and increase their TPE amount.
Schrödinger's Gerbil
Well-Known Member
Why the hell would the Jazz trade for Kuminga? How does using cap money to acquire a guy who couldn't get playing time on a team the desperately needed more wing talent and who's never come close to sniffing his potential after four years in the league help the Jazz win?
Ainge can't be that stupid...can he?
David Stern
Well-Known Member
I’m also wondering if there’s a chance to take back bad money for picks with this newfound cap space / TPE.
…..he’s 22.
You aren’t as bright as you want people so desperately to believe.
I personally wouldnt touch Kuminga.
Grimes is the guy I’d target with cap space. You could probably get the deal to a point where a salary match would push the Sixers over the second apron.
We should make it painful for the Sixers at least. These teams holding their RFA’s are in a strong position this year when nobody has cap space, but we have changed the game.
We should make it painful for the Sixers at least. These teams holding their RFA’s are in a strong position this year when nobody has cap space, but we have changed the game.
What would you offer Grimes? The guy has had a fairly average career until he got traded to a tanker and put up stats in the least important part of the NBA schedule.
@Handlogten's Heros, please take center stage and give us a good lecture about John Collins and "opportunity cost". You've been right all along, and it's time for a victory lap.
Step-Back Lauri
Well-Known Member
Now do the Lauri trade. The only logical next step.
Grimes has had such a weird career. He played 2k+ minutes on a 47 win team in his second year and was considered untouchable in the Mitchell trade. He then stunk it up the next year, bounced around, then played decently for the Mavs before getting traded because Nico was afraid to pay him.
I'd offer him as much as I can initially. The more important thing is the years. Offer sheets need to be three years of length but only one year needs to be guaranteed. If we don't care about cap space next year, I'd give the max possible over the next two seasons (let's call it $25M per) with the third year non guaranteed. You could also Paul Reed the contract so it get's guaranteed if and only if his team makes the playoffs. I think a 2/$50 deal should be more appealing than what PHI would offer him. I would assume that PHI is valuing him closer to NAW's 4/$62M.
I prefer to look at things from an opportunity perspective. The money we'd pay him for this season doesn't matter. The money we'd pay him for next year would eat into cap space. I think he's worth the cap space he'd take up tbh.
Schrödinger's Gerbil
Well-Known Member
Age is irrelevant if someone isn't very good. There are lots of so-so 20 somethings in the league. Why not stock our roster with them if that's your idea of team building?
He's had 4 years to prove himself, and rather than doing so, he's played himself into a benchwarmer role. At THAT's who you want to use precious cap space to invest in? LOL
Young + not very good isn't going to help the Jazz.
I don't make any claim to being so bright. I'm just a guy posting on a discussion board with opinions like everyone else here. Like opinions in general, most of mine are probably wrong, and so are yours and everyone else's. Most everything any of us believe before, now, and in the future are most likely wrong.
fishonjazz
Well-Known Member
Contributor
2018 Award Winner
2019 Award Winner
20-21 Award Winner
2022 Award Winner
2023 Award Winner
2024 Award Winner
2025 Award Winner
Seems to be what we are doing already.
HadAnEffectHere
Well-Known Member
What happened here is that Ainge went all-in on guys who couldn't defend immediately before the league decided that these guys are worthless.
So that was not great.
Should keep SloMo around for 25-30 games to juice Lauri's trade value before moving him.
So that was not great.
Should keep SloMo around for 25-30 games to juice Lauri's trade value before moving him.
Jazz have brought in a lot of 22 year old senior type players that could turn out to be better than Kuminga
Might have to hold off on Kuminga for right now
Danny wants Podz.... unfortunately, the Warriors want to keep Podz. He's the only current Warrior who fits the Jazz timeline that Lauri might fetch. JK is like a shiny empty vessel. I wouldn't bother with that. This market, with money restrictions, is bizarre value land currently.
Schrödinger's Gerbil
Well-Known Member
At least we can sell hope and talk ourselves into them, as we don't have enough data points to say yay nor nay definitively.
I think it'll be harder to sell hope for someone for whom we have four years of data points, pointing mostly downward.
The team that signs Kuminga is the team that talk's itself into the fantasy narrative that four years of data points don't matter and they can do what Golden State couldn't.
If you can't thrive playing with Steph Curry, that's a huge red flag.