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Jazz trade John collins

Two ways this could be done.

1) Cap space+Warriors don’t match. The Jazz could create $18.7M in space by waiving Springer+Martin. They could create a little bit more depending on what they do with Anderson and Love.

2) TPE sign and trade. The Jazz should create about a $20M TPE from this trade. Kuminga could fit into that.

I suppose the Warriors could also do Anderson for Kuminga if they want Anderson back.
I’m interested at the right price. Jazz better know they want him though - Sexton just proved that if you don’t want that guy long term, it’s going to cost you a Nurkic and a pick to move off him.
 
My man, thanks.

Just to add onto this, the NBA 10+ vet minimum is $3.6M. So if we assume buyouts for KLove and Anderson where they give back what they’d make on the min (standard practice), that’s an additional $7.2M in potential cap space.

So if we go for a Kuminga deal with outright cap space, it could start out at around $26M. This is an important number because it should push the Warriors past the first apron.

Other posts detail how they could absorb Love and Anderson into an exception and increase their TPE amount.
 
Anderson and Love combined make less than $14M. That is just a little bit more than half what Collins makes. So the Jazz have saved almost half of what Collins makes in money + whatever they could get back in potential buyouts.

Additionally, the Jazz should open up a TPE close to $20M. This could be useful if the Jazz wanted to make a run at a RFA like Kuminga in S&T.
Why the hell would the Jazz trade for Kuminga? How does using cap money to acquire a guy who couldn't get playing time on a team the desperately needed more wing talent and who's never come close to sniffing his potential after four years in the league help the Jazz win?

Ainge can't be that stupid...can he?
 
Why the hell would the Jazz trade for Kuminga? How does using cap money to acquire a guy who couldn't get playing time on a team the desperately needed more wing talent and who's never come close to sniffing his potential after four years in the league help the Jazz win?

Ainge can't be that stupid...can he?
…..he’s 22.

You aren’t as bright as you want people so desperately to believe.
 
Grimes is the guy I’d target with cap space. You could probably get the deal to a point where a salary match would push the Sixers over the second apron.

We should make it painful for the Sixers at least. These teams holding their RFA’s are in a strong position this year when nobody has cap space, but we have changed the game.
 
Grimes is the guy I’d target with cap space. You could probably get the deal to a point where a salary match would push the Sixers over the second apron.

We should make it painful for the Sixers at least. These teams holding their RFA’s are in a strong position this year when nobody has cap space, but we have changed the game.
What would you offer Grimes? The guy has had a fairly average career until he got traded to a tanker and put up stats in the least important part of the NBA schedule.
 
What would you offer Grimes? The guy has had a fairly average career until he got traded to a tanker and put up stats in the least important part of the NBA schedule.

Grimes has had such a weird career. He played 2k+ minutes on a 47 win team in his second year and was considered untouchable in the Mitchell trade. He then stunk it up the next year, bounced around, then played decently for the Mavs before getting traded because Nico was afraid to pay him.

I'd offer him as much as I can initially. The more important thing is the years. Offer sheets need to be three years of length but only one year needs to be guaranteed. If we don't care about cap space next year, I'd give the max possible over the next two seasons (let's call it $25M per) with the third year non guaranteed. You could also Paul Reed the contract so it get's guaranteed if and only if his team makes the playoffs. I think a 2/$50 deal should be more appealing than what PHI would offer him. I would assume that PHI is valuing him closer to NAW's 4/$62M.

I prefer to look at things from an opportunity perspective. The money we'd pay him for this season doesn't matter. The money we'd pay him for next year would eat into cap space. I think he's worth the cap space he'd take up tbh.
 
Why the hell would the Jazz trade for Kuminga? How does using cap money to acquire a guy who couldn't get playing time on a team the desperately needed more wing talent help the Jazz win?

…..he’s 22.

You aren’t as bright as you want people so desperately to believe.
Age is irrelevant if someone isn't very good. There are lots of so-so 20 somethings in the league. Why not stock our roster with them if that's your idea of team building?

He's had 4 years to prove himself, and rather than doing so, he's played himself into a benchwarmer role. At THAT's who you want to use precious cap space to invest in? LOL

Young + not very good isn't going to help the Jazz.

I don't make any claim to being so bright. I'm just a guy posting on a discussion board with opinions like everyone else here. Like opinions in general, most of mine are probably wrong, and so are yours and everyone else's. Most everything any of us believe before, now, and in the future are most likely wrong.
 
Danny wants Podz.... unfortunately, the Warriors want to keep Podz. He's the only current Warrior who fits the Jazz timeline that Lauri might fetch. JK is like a shiny empty vessel. I wouldn't bother with that. This market, with money restrictions, is bizarre value land currently.
 
Seems to be what we are doing already.
At least we can sell hope and talk ourselves into them, as we don't have enough data points to say yay nor nay definitively.

I think it'll be harder to sell hope for someone for whom we have four years of data points, pointing mostly downward.

The team that signs Kuminga is the team that talk's itself into the fantasy narrative that four years of data points don't matter and they can do what Golden State couldn't.

If you can't thrive playing with Steph Curry, that's a huge red flag.
 
Jazz have brought in a lot of 22 year old senior type players that could turn out to be better than Kuminga
Might have to hold off on Kuminga for right now

The Jazz brought in one senior who they are keeping and one they are putting on a two way to go along with an incredibly raw 18 year old.

But they should not bring in Kuminga as they already have Ace, lol.
 
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