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Red said:
Well, most of the time, pro Second amendment advocates, like yourself, turn to “thoughts and prayers” at times like this. My bad if you don’t believe in “thoughts and prayers”. I know you believe guns are 100% innocent, and should never, ever, enter the conversation, despite having multiple mass gun shootings on a near weekly basis.



And here is where I spot an issue I would love more information regarding. Given the ridiculous plague of mass murders via guns, in our nation, why do you suppose we truly seem, based on your conclusion it’s due to mental health issues, to have more mentally sick people in our society, than all other developed nations combined?? I mean, if you look at societies that don’t display chronic mass murders, do they have far less nuts living in their societies? If they had as many guns, would we see European nations competing for “most mass murders per population?”. I don’t know.

You see, it’s hard to look at nations where mass shootings are not chronic, where their citizens don’t kill en mass, and not think, since those nations don’t have millions of guns, that….maybe….guns are a factor in the United States. Maybe better regulation of fire arms would be more sensible than, say, assigning a mental health professional to every American, at birth? Not that the latter would be a bad idea, since we apparently have more mentally disturbed citizens than all nations on Earth combined. Run it by RFK Jr. A psychiatrist for every American!
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We already have laws against murder, assault, improper handling of guns, the mentally ill owning guns, and every other crime the guy committed...But just one more gun law woulda stopped it. Or if we took guns from law abiding citizens somehow this guy would not have broke all these other laws.
Minnesota already has tough gun laws. So does Chicago, the murder capital of the USA.
Do you know that the average American has 12-19 prescriptions per person annually, and its going up every year? That is almost double most other developed countries.
Do you think the fact that most other developed countries have free health care that often includes therapy and mental healthcare might contribute to "less nuts"?
Do you think its good practice to burden overprescribed mentally ill people with prescription drug costs, treatment costs, and mental healthcare costs while also propagandizing and radicalizing them politically?


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Mongoose said:
hey retard- Minnesota has some pretty strict gun laws, but news flash criminals don't care about laws....

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Let me rephrase it the question I asked you. What is it, about Americans, that makes us the greatest individual mass murderers on the planet? Why our nationality? We come from many ethnicities ourselves, Irish Americans, Italian Americans, etc., etc., yet you don’t see any other nationality, people of other nations, committing mass murderers with anything resembling their frequency in the United States. Don’t say “it’s the drugs”. People have agency. And if it’s “mental illness”, why do so many mentally ill people decide “I know! A gun! A gun! I need a gun!”, in the United States, but nowhere near as many mentally ill people reaching for guns in other nations? How come?

In other words, what’s different about Americans? If we are more insane, on average, why? If way more Americans are on drugs, why does that mean they reach for guns and shoot people? En mass. There are many types of mental illness. What type of mental illness do Americans suffer from, that more such sick people decide to commit mass murder, with firearms, more than any other national group, anywhere else on Earth?

You know, there is one thing that stands out when looking for answers to those specific questions, and that specific nation, the United States. And we all actually know what that “wild card” is. It’s a specific type of weapon, and it likely outnumbers the population of that nation. Other nations are doing something right, that we are not doing, in order to see mass shootings so much more frequent in this one nation.

Mental illness is not uniquely American. So, why are mass shootings quite nearly uniquely American?
 
Mongoose said:
Do you know that the average American has 12-19 prescriptions per person annually, and its going up every year? That is almost double most other developed countries.
Do you think the fact that most other developed countries have free health care that often includes therapy and mental healthcare might contribute to "less nuts"?
Do you think its good practice to burden overprescribed mentally ill people with prescription drug costs, treatment costs, and mental healthcare costs while also propagandizing and radicalizing them politically?
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I take about 12 scripts per day. For various conditions. I don’t like the fact that most primary providers resort to pushing pills, and that’s their first choice, and their last choice. Not sure when that became standard practice, but it seems to be. Drug salesman and drug pushing doctors seems to constitute much of American health care. I had an uncle who made house calls when I was a child, so my first office visit was likely a revelation. Of course, without the most important of my meds, I would be long dead by now. There is that. It is a consideration. Unless I want to die. So, I decided to take the meds.

I don’t disagree with most of what you are saying in this comment. Now, on your last point, I don’t think radicalizing mentally ill people through the agency of Trumpism will do them any good at all. We ain’t gonna agree there, but we each know that much. By coincidence, one of my best friends, who’s a Trump supporter, did recently go off his meds. He called me, begging for help, as he was growing more paranoid, and thought many people, in the government no less, were trying to control his mind. Sometimes, you do need those meds, and I basically got him to reverse his decision, and he’s feeling better.

Yes, universal health care is needed. And of course easy and free access to mental health care and counseling is bound to help.

None of this, however, really comes close to answering why so many mass shootings in this country, and not others. Although I cannot disagree that if more people capable of committing mass shootings had easily available mental health care available, and such health care was actively promoted, to the same degree the upteenth tv drug ad recommends a certain drug, while warning about side effects worse than the condition being treated, it would help to an extent. Also does not help that mental illness is still stigmatized in this country.
 
Red said:
That’s not what I asked you. Let me rephrase it: what is it, about Americans, that makes us the greatest individual mass murderers on the planet? Why our nationality? We come from many ethnicities ourselves, Irish Americans, Italian Americans, etc., etc., yet you don’t see any other nationality, people of other nations, committing mass murderers with anything resembling their frequency in the United States. Don’t say “it’s the drugs”. People have agency. And if it’s “mental illness”, why do so many mentally ill people decide “I know! A gun! A gun! I need a gun!”, in the United States, but nowhere near as many mentally ill people reaching for guns in other nations? How come?

In other words, what’s different about Americans? If we are more insane, on average, why? If way more Americans are on drugs, why does that mean they reach for guns and shoot people? En mass. There are many types of mental illness. What type of mental illness do Americans suffer from, that more such sick people decide to commit mass murder, with firearms, more than any other national group, anywhere else on Earth?

You know, there is one thing that stands out when looking for answers to those specific questions, and that specific nation, the United States. And we all actually know what that “wild card” is. It’s a specific type of weapon, and it likely outnumbers the population of that nation. Other nations are doing something right, that we are not doing, in order to see mass shootings so much more frequent in this one nation.

Mental illness is not uniquely American. So, why are mass shootings quite nearly uniquely American?
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I know you want to respond when I say "hey retard" but this wasn't my response to you. I clearly responded to you already directly. I guess you just want to ignore that? Are you one of those Americans taking 20+ prescriptions that doesn't see it as a problem even though you are terrified of the thought you might not need them all? Why do so many mentally ill people decide, "I know, drugs, drugs, I need more drugs!"
You can respond to my questions I posed to you directly, or just admit you are a gun hating liberal moron that doesn't want to look any deeper at the issue.

We already have laws against murder, assault, improper handling of guns, the mentally ill owning guns, and every other crime the guy committed...But just one more gun law woulda stopped it. Or if we took guns from law abiding citizens somehow this guy would not have broke all these other laws.
Minnesota already has tough gun laws. So does Chicago, the murder capital of the USA.
Do you know that the average American has 12-19 prescriptions per person annually, and its going up every year? That is almost double most other developed countries.
Do you think the fact that most other developed countries have free health care that often includes therapy and mental healthcare might contribute to "less nuts"?
Do you think its good practice to burden overprescribed mentally ill people with prescription drug costs, treatment costs, and mental healthcare costs while also propagandizing and radicalizing them politically?


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Red said:
I take about 12 scripts per day. For various conditions. I don’t like the fact that most primary providers resort to pushing pills, and that’s their first choice, and their last choice. Not sure when that became standard practice, but it seems to be. Drug salesman and drug pushing doctors seems to constitute much of American health care. I had an uncle who made house calls when I was a child, so my first office visit was likely a revelation. Of course, without the most important of my meds, I would be long dead by now. There is that. It is a consideration. Unless I want to die. So, I decided to take the meds.

I don’t disagree with most of what you are saying in this comment. Now, on your last point, I don’t think radicalizing mentally ill people through the agency of Trumpism will do them any good at all. We ain’t gonna agree there, but we each know that much. By coincidence, one of my best friends, who’s a Trump supporter, did recently go off his meds. He called me, begging for help, as he was growing more paranoid, and thought many people, in the government no less, were trying to control his mind. Sometimes, you do need those meds, and I basically got him to reverse his decision, and he’s feeling better.

Yes, universal health care is needed. And of course easy and free access to mental health care and counseling is bound to help.

None of this, however, really comes close to answering why so many mass shootings in this country, and not others. Although I cannot disagree that if more people capable of committing mass shootings had easily available mental health care available, and such health care was actively promoted, to the same degree the upteenth tv drug ad recommends a certain drug, while warning about side effects worse than the condition being treated, it would help to an extent. Also does not help that mental illness is still stigmatized in this country.
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I think you may have been propagandized on this subject and have a skewed perspective. Is 500 deaths a year a lot? Sure, but there are significantly worse problems plaguing our country. You should ask yourself why are politicians so worried about this subject and not others? What do they have to gain from getting support to ban guns in America? Why does the media always make this out to be such a significant issue? 41000 people a year die in car accidents in the US, 913,000 people in the US die every year from heart disease, 619,000 people in the US die every year from cancer, 100,000 people a year in the US die of diabetes. Why no uproar over this? These are preventable deaths too! Where is the ****ing health care uproar?

The media has many people like you believing these mass shootings are happening everywhere all the time and that every other person on the street in America is some sort of psychopath mass murderer and it isn't factual, it's propaganda. There is a very small population of mentally ill people in America getting access to guns that shouldn't have access to them and the bias and corrupt media blows these stories up every single time.

The U.S. has the highest number of mass shootings globally, but the number of deaths varies by definition:
  • Gun Violence Archive (GVA): Defines a mass shooting as an incident where four or more people are shot (injured or killed), excluding the shooter, at the same general time and location. In 2021, GVA reported 706 deaths from mass shootings.


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    • In 2023, GVA recorded 503 mass shootings, with an estimated 600–700 deaths based on trends (exact death tolls vary as data is updated).


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  • FBI Definition: Defines an "active shooter incident" as one or more individuals actively engaged in killing or attempting to kill in a populated area. In 2021, the FBI reported 103 deaths (excluding perpetrators) from such incidents.


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    • In 2023, the FBI reported 105 deaths from active shooter incidents.


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  • Mother Jones/Statista: Defines a mass shooting as an indiscriminate rampage in a public place with three or more fatalities (excluding the shooter). As of September 4, 2024, only 8 deaths were reported from two mass shootings in the U.S. for 2024, though this is likely an undercount due to the partial year and stricter definition.


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  • Everytown Research: Notes that mass shootings (four or more killed) account for about 1% of U.S. gun deaths. With 46,728 total gun deaths in 2023, this suggests roughly 467 deaths from mass shootings annually, though this varies by year.


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Average Estimate: Depending on the definition, U.S. mass shooting deaths range from 100–700 annually, with GVA’s broader definition yielding higher counts (closer to 600–700) and stricter definitions (FBI, Mother Jones) yielding lower counts (100–200).
 
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