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idestroyedthetoilet said:
Baffling how so many who would put Rittenhouse in the chair aren’t applying the same standard to this moron agitator who packed heat and interfered with police
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Even more baffling are the people who cheered Rittenhouse on, but are now enraged that Alex Pretti was carrying a legal weapon. Check out what Rittenhouse brought to a volatile situation, from another state. The Right defended him 100%. Alex Pretti? Not so much.
Interfered with the police? I’ve watched all the videos. Best I can determine he was executed. His crime was attempting to help a woman a border patrol agent had flung to the ground. Pretti was shielding her from the pepper spray, and trying to help her up. So he was executed. Not for one second did he interfer.

This is good, according to the Right. And he killed that night. So good!

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But, a man carrying a concealed weapon with a permit, never displaying it, never removing it from his holster, and photographing the activity, he deserved to die, right? As Trump, Bovino, Miller, Noem all indicated, he brought a gun with him! They said doing that means there is a good chance federal agents will kill you! Imagine that?! Federal agents can kill you for legally carrying a weapon. Second amendment doesn’t exist apparently. Which didn’t go over well with the NRA and others.

Why would you, or anyone, compare Pretti to Rittenhouse?? “Packed heat and interfered with the police”. No. No he did not, and you cannot look at any of the half dozen citizen videos and say he drew his weapon, or interfered in the least: he was helping a woman who had been pushed violently to the ground by an agent, and he was trying to shield her from pepper spray. For this he needed to die? He had a permit, there was no demonstration even taking place. A few observers using their phones to film agent activity. Thst’s legal.

Carrying a concealed weapon is legal. “Packed heat”. Yes, and Bovino and Noem said he carried that heat in order to massacre federal agents. Is that your take as well? Rittenhouse came to kill. Did Pretti come to kill? I see a difference, even if you don’t.

You buy into that crap too? He was an ICU nurse for veterans.

Here’s Pretti as an ICU nurse. What the hell is wrong with you that you are actually upset that people are not demanding the electric chair if he had actually lived?


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Apparently even trump and many Republicans actually think there was something wrong with what happened to pretti.
trump removed his head of border patrol and face of ICE from Minnesota, he actually said nice things about governor Waltz, there are 14 Republican senators calling for investigations, the FBI is doing an independent investigation along with homeland security doing their own internal investigation, ted cruz is heavily criticizing the Whitehouse for how ICE is operating, kristi noem is being forced in front of a judiciary committee.....

This didn't occur with the nicole good situation. In that situation I could see a gray area. I could understand the shooter being afraid with a car coming in his direction (though the driver was not trying to kill him and he shouldn't have stood in front of a running vehicle).
The pretti situation is quite obviously murder. No one's life was in any danger (other than pretti). Dude got his *** beat, maced, and shot and killed for no legit reason.

Neither good or pretti were domestic terrorists and neither were out to hurt or kill anyone.
 
fishonjazz said:
I wore the wrong teams jersey to a football game.
My neighbor raped The Rocks kid.

We both made dumb decisions that put ourselves in danger. The two situations are the exact same and my neighbor and myself should face the same consequences!

Aren't false equivalencies fun!

This was one of your worst takes ever lol.
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Party affiliation is stronger than logic, by far.
 
Red said:
Even more baffling are the people who cheered Rittenhouse on, but are now enraged that Alex Pretti was carrying a legal weapon. Check out what Rittenhouse brought to a volatile situation, from another state. The Right defended him 100%. Alex Pretti? Not so much.
Interfered with the police? I’ve watched all the videos. Best I can determine he was executed. His crime was attempting to help a woman a border patrol agent had flung to the ground. Pretti was shielding her from the pepper spray, and trying to help her up. So he was executed. Not for one second did he interfer.

This is good, according to the Right. And he killed that night. So good!

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But, a man carrying a concealed weapon with a permit, never displaying it, never removing it from his holster, and photographing the activity, he deserved to die, right? As Trump, Bovino, Miller, Noem all indicated, he brought a gun with him! They said doing that means there is a good chance federal agents will kill you! Imagine that?! Federal agents can kill you for legally carrying a weapon. Second amendment doesn’t exist apparently. Which didn’t go over well with the NRA and others.

Why would you, or anyone, compare Pretti to Rittenhouse?? “Packed heat and interfered with the police”. No. No he did not, and you cannot look at any of the half dozen citizen videos and say he drew his weapon, or interfered in the least: he was helping a woman who had been pushed violently to the ground by an agent, and he was trying to shield her from pepper spray. For this he needed to die? He had a permit, there was no demonstration even taking place. A few observers using their phones to film agent activity. Thst’s legal.

Carrying a concealed weapon is legal. “Packed heat”. Yes, and Bovino and Noem said he carried that heat in order to massacre federal agents. Is that your take as well? Rittenhouse came to kill. Did Pretti come to kill? I see a difference, even if you don’t.

You buy into that crap too? He was an ICU nurse for veterans.

Here’s Pretti as an ICU nurse. What the hell is wrong with you that you are actually upset that people are not demanding the electric chair if he had actually lived? You sick in the head by any chance, idestroyedthetoilet, babe, or whoever you are…..


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He's the poster formerly known as Franklin.
 
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Gotta say Franklin, I usually like your counterpoint, as I appreciate opposing viewpoints and I think the nuance gets lost when we are just talking amongst ourselves, so to speak. But this is easily your worst take. Did you watch even a few seconds of video that wasn't curated by Fox News? Even the NRA is on the other side of this one. I didn't know you were THAT hard right. Wow.
 
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White House shows first signs of retreat as backlash grows over Minnesota killing

President Donald Trump on Monday showed his first signs of retreat since surging federal immigration agents in Minnesota late last year — replacing the leader of the crackdown on the ground and signaling new willingness to cooperate with the state’s Democratic elected officials.
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Maybe the protests are working.

White House shows first signs of retreat as backlash grows over Minnesota killing.
 
fishonjazz said:
Apparently even trump and many Republicans actually think there was something wrong with what happened to pretti.
trump removed his head of border patrol and face of ICE from Minnesota, he actually said nice things about governor Waltz, there are 14 Republican senators calling for investigations, the FBI is doing an independent investigation along with homeland security doing their own internal investigation, ted cruz is heavily criticizing the Whitehouse for how ICE is operating, kristi noem is being forced in front of a judiciary committee.....

This didn't occur with the nicole good situation. In that situation I could see a gray area. I could understand the shooter being afraid with a car coming in his direction (though the driver was not trying to kill him and he shouldn't have stood in front of a running vehicle).
The pretti situation is quite obviously murder. No one's life was in any danger (other than pretti). Dude got his *** beat, maced, and shot and killed for no legit reason.

Neither good or pretti were domestic terrorists and neither were out to hurt or kill anyone.
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I honestly think execution is a better term than murder.
 
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ICE Unloads

Immigration officers speak out: “**** this.”
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“The best they can do is shoot the guy in the back?” That’s not the voice of some liberal commentator. That’s what a homeland security officer told me this weekend, one of over half a dozen who have reached out to express their alarm over the killing of Alex Pretti in Minneapolis and beyond.

I’ve listened to the stories and the beefs of immigration officers in Minneapolis across the country, and to a person, they all blame the shooter, one of their own. The major media is stuck on framing the killing of Alex Pretti as some national and partisan battle, highlighting Republicans breaking ranks, the NRA protesting, MAGA wavering, and Chuck Schumer doing whatever he’s doing, but no one is really capturing what the federal law enforcement officers on the ground are thinking. The truth is that they’re fed up and have been for weeks.

They paint a picture that is more Police Academy (or even Reno 911!) than a Gestapo on the march. Yes, they agree that Washington is a huge problem and are uncomfortable with the mission creep that is taking them away from actual immigration enforcement. But internally? Theirs is also a story of gung-ho 19-year-olds, drunken stakeouts, and senior officers disappearing into meetings and all of a sudden needing time off.

They are also frustrated with the narrative unfolding and the information war being waged from Washington, including the flamboyant defense of the shooting and other controversial moves on the ground.

“As much as I support this administration there needs to be more common sense in situations like this, not a knee jerk damage control narrative that does not line up with the evidence on video,” one Border Patrol agent said in a private chat group that was shared with me. “This individual was shot 8 to 9 times while unarmed.”

“We can’t always support what happens just because it’s one of us,” he adds.

An ICE agent was even more critical. “Yet another ‘justified’ fatal shooting … ten versus one and somehow they couldn’t find a way to subdue the guy or use a less than lethal [means],” the agent said. “They all carry belts and vests with 9,000 pieces of equipment on them and the best they can do is shoot a guy in the back?”

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Several agents described receiving briefings about retaliatory threats to ICE inspired by the Minneapolis shooting. “Guys take it really serious, like we are fighting insurgents,” as if Minneapolis is Baghdad, an ICE officer said.

Though all of the federal agents I’ve spoken to this weekend support immigration enforcement, they indeed see the Minneapolis operation as something else entirely — an open-ended counterinsurgency in a faraway land and under an out-of-touch leadership in Washington more concerned with optics than immigration.

“This is a no-win situation for agents on the ground or immigration enforcement overall,” a Border Patrol agent said in the private group chat shared with me.

He closed on a plaintive note: “I think it’s time to pull out of Minnesota, that battle is lost.”

“F*** this,” a senior ICE officer said about the shooting of Pretti.
 
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The funny thing about Franklin comparison is that there is a good comparison to me made. He is just missing it.
Rittenhouse unnecessarily committed murder. The ICE agent unnecessarily committed murder.

There is the proper equivalency.
 
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Kind of ironic that the reason the pretti death might spark change to the trump administration deportation tactics is BECAUSE he had a gun.

If he didn't have a gun then trump wouldn't have made the statement that carrying a gun means you are a criminal and wouldn't have pissed off the NRA and the political right. If he didn't have a gun then he is just another dead leftist and the right shrugs and moves along. But they killed a gun owner who was obeying the law? That changes things and adds a whole new dynamic to the situation.
 
fishonjazz said:
Kind of ironic that the reason the pretti death might spark change to the trump administration deportation tactics is BECAUSE he had a gun.

If he didn't have a gun then trump wouldn't have made the statement that carrying a gun means you are a criminal and wouldn't have pissed off the NRA and the political right. If he didn't have a gun then he is just another dead leftist and the right shrugs and moves along. But they killed a gun owner who was obeying the law? That changes things and adds a whole new dynamic to the situation.
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Only in America would that be a thing.
 
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