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Jaren Jackson Jr. traded to the Jazz

Handlogten's Heros said:
It was always an excuse. I understand they can't predict the future. They had plenty of ways to carve out space and the FA list hasn't changed. Hopefully it doesn't come back to bite them.
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We are gonna be in apron hell anyways. At this point its Ryan Smiths pockets that may hurt, but we lose our flexibility anyways when Keyonte gets his bag.
 
jom2003 said:
He will be owed 50mil a year till 2030, which is your 2nd option type of money. And we don't even get to negotiate with him for a smaller deal like what Denver's done with Gordon until 2029. He's our new Conley. Or Bane for the Magic, if you get that reference.
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The Celtics gave up Al Horford when he wanted big money. Then they went back and picked him up, big contract and all, and won a championship.

Jazz must be willing to pay JJJ's deal. Jazz are going to have Ace and hopefully another stud on rookie-scale for most of it.
 
Ferguson_Mellochill said:
Okay, but as a 3rd or 4th option (think Al Horford), he should be fine.
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3rd or 4th option? You really think he's coming to Utah with that mindset? He probably thinks he's finally getting his own team.

Ferguson_Mellochill said:
Plus Will Hardy is the guy to get him unstuck, like he did with Lauri.
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JJJ has only ever played a ball-stopping, backing-down-from-the-perimeter brand of basketball, with occasional wide open 3's sprinkled in.

If Hardy can get him to buy in to a more modern approach, that's great. But he never had a problem like that with Lauri, who came in with all guns blazing.
 
framer said:
According to Tony, they got their guy and are now gonna deal with Kessler, which they said was the plan. Nobody knew that JJJ was going to be an option at the start of last offseason.
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That's the problem, though. The assumption is that those at the top are to have superior reasoning and better prognosticating power. When things change it's always that "well X happened and nobody could have predicted X." That's absolutely true and I don't think any of us would argue that. However, there are a whole host of things beyond X, and if it's not X, there's also small possibilities of Q, R, S, and also Y and Z happening. It's not certain, or even likely, that any one of them individually will happen. However, what is nearly certain is that one of them happening has a high enough likelihood that a general strategy around it factors into the equation, so you don't get caught with your dick in your hand saying "nobody could have ever predicted this."

You can't predict the unpredictable. But you can absolutely bank on the presence of a variable that will be unpredictable.
 
HermanG said:
We are gonna be in apron hell anyways. At this point its Ryan Smiths pockets that may hurt, but we lose our flexibility anyways when Keyonte gets his bag.
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Exactly my point though. I think we had the chance to structure the deal in the way that we wouldn't lose flexibility and maybe lock him in at a small discount as well. We don't have to be in tax hell because of it.
 
Ferguson_Mellochill said:
The Celtics gave up Al Horford when he wanted big money. Then they went back and picked him up, big contract and all, and won a championship.

Jazz must be willing to pay JJJ's deal.
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Celtics didn't give up 3 firsts (and possibly this year's first as well) plus 50mil in salary for Horford though, did they? The moves to acquire Derrick white, Porzingis or Holiday wouldn't be possible if they gave up same kind of assets as we spent on JJJ.
 
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