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Is KOC saving us from ourselves?

Growlor

Growlor

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I keep hearing crys to trade Al, Harris, etc. ASAP.
Is it possible that KOC sees the possibility of us trading them away mid-March for a decent pg/outside presence. At that point the Jazz take a couple of weeks to gain some chemestry before going on a winning streak late.
Point being... If that happens we end the season 7th or 8th seed in playoffs, lose early and lose our draft pick.
If we wait until the end of the season to make our moves in tandem with the draft we keep our pick and are in a better position to set ourselves up for next fall.

Is there any value in being patient?
 
Growlor said:
I keep hearing crys to trade Al, Harris, etc. ASAP.
Is it possible that KOC sees the possibility of us trading them away mid-March for a decent pg/outside presence. At that point the Jazz take a couple of weeks to gain some chemestry before going on a winning streak late.
Point being... If that happens we end the season 7th or 8th seed in playoffs, lose early and lose our draft pick.
If we wait until the end of the season to make our moves in tandem with the draft we keep our pick and are in a better position to set ourselves up for next fall.

Is there any value in being patient?
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This entirely depends on what you do with that patience and why you are waiting in the first place.
 
Growlor said:
I keep hearing crys to trade Al, Harris, etc. ASAP.
Is it possible that KOC sees the possibility of us trading them away mid-March for a decent pg/outside presence. At that point the Jazz take a couple of weeks to gain some chemestry before going on a winning streak late.
Point being... If that happens we end the season 7th or 8th seed in playoffs, lose early and lose our draft pick.
If we wait until the end of the season to make our moves in tandem with the draft we keep our pick and are in a better position to set ourselves up for next fall.

Is there any value in being patient?
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The only reason I would want anyone moved is so that Corbin would hopefully be in a position that would require that he plays the young guys more. If Corbin was already giving each one a minimum of 20 min a game and Hayward getting 30+ then I would be happy to see all of those vets still on the team.

Corbin is hurting the future of the team by relying too much on the vets to do everything and not giving the young guys enough opportunities to grow.
 
Growlor said:
I keep hearing crys to trade Al, Harris, etc. ASAP.
Is it possible that KOC sees the possibility of us trading them away mid-March for a decent pg/outside presence. At that point the Jazz take a couple of weeks to gain some chemestry before going on a winning streak late.
Point being... If that happens we end the season 7th or 8th seed in playoffs, lose early and lose our draft pick.
If we wait until the end of the season to make our moves in tandem with the draft we keep our pick and are in a better position to set ourselves up for next fall.

Is there any value in being patient?
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I've been saying this for a while now. KOC will not make a trade just to make one. I think we will be able to get more bang for our buck if we wait till around draft time unless KOC gets an offer he can't refuse now.
 
A lot of players are not tradeable until March 1. Therefore we should see a good amount of trades between then and March 15th. I think there is a very good chance of course we will make at least a minor trade. One big questions is will anybody take Harris and his nearly 10 million next year.
 
orangello said:
The only reason I would want anyone moved is so that Corbin would hopefully be in a position that would require that he plays the young guys more. If Corbin was already giving each one a minimum of 20 min a game and Hayward getting 30+ then I would be happy to see all of those vets still on the team.

Corbin is hurting the future of the team by relying too much on the vets to do everything and not giving the young guys enough opportunities to grow.
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What more can you ask for from players trying to learn to play in the NBA. Look at Kanter, I thought he would get little to no playing time after having not played for two years. Hayward has started every game this year getting 25 to 30 minutes nightly. Favors and Kanter have been in the rotation all year long playing meaningful minutes in meaningful games. The only one we should be complaining about is Burks, who's minutes and place in the rotation have been inconsistent, but is starting to get the coaches trust. Developing players is a prosess. You can't just throw them into the full load before their ready. That can do more harm then good.
 
mellow said:
Hey, it worked with the AK, Boozer, Deron situation so why not wait until Milsap, Jefferson, and Harris all walk away as FA.
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This is what is called talking out of your ***. First off we did trade Deron. I don't understand for the life of me why you brought him up.

KOC tried to trade Boozer and got laughable offers. KOC was patient, and got a trade exception, which got us Al to take his place. As for AK on a max deal, to trade AK means we need to take on salary to match, which as a small market team, and having an owner who's pockets aren't as deep as most other owners can't afford to pay the luxury tax every single year. Plus we need money to sign some of these young guys that are the future of this team.

The original poster didn't post let them all walk after their contracts are up. He said wait and trade them at the time of the draft.
 
Thee jazz fan said:
What more can you ask for from players trying to learn to play in the NBA. Look at Kanter, I thought he would get little to no playing time after having not played for two years. Hayward has started every game this year getting 25 to 30 minutes nightly. Favors and Kanter have been in the rotation all year long playing meaningful minutes in meaningful games. The only one we should be complaining about is Burks, who's minutes and place in the rotation have been inconsistent, but is starting to get the coaches trust. Developing players is a prosess. You can't just throw them into the full load before their ready. That can do more harm then good.
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I understand what you are saying. I mostly agree but the minutes are very inconsistent. One night they get nearly 20 minutes the next they are around 10. There have been plenty of games that the bench has held or increased the lead only to be subbed out because it must have been time to get the starters back in. Give the bench players more of a chance.

One last thought, it can do more harm than good. It can do more good than harm. I can win a million dollars if I enter enough lotteries. I do understand your point though.
 
thee jazz fan, I disagree, I would like to see all 4 of those guys averaging at least 20 mpg.
3 of them are substantially under that.
This could have been done simply by giving Al and Sap 5 minutes less game, and letting Sap play a little at the 3 once in a while. There are 6 guys who could have played 2 minutes less a game to make room for Burks. I am not sure if Evans should have played more too, because I've hardly seen him, but he could also have played some at the 3.
 
orangello said:
I understand what you are saying. I mostly agree but the minutes are very inconsistent. One night they get nearly 20 minutes the next they are around 10. There have been plenty of games that the bench has held or increased the lead only to be subbed out because it must have been time to get the starters back in. Give the bench players more of a chance.

One last thought, it can do more harm than good. It can do more good than harm. I can win a million dollars if I enter enough lotteries. I do understand your point though.
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Ok this does clarify things up for me. Like you, at times I have been frustrated with coach taking sertain players out at crunch time when things are going well just to get the starters in. Ty has his rotations but sometimes it does need to be broken to match the context of the team. I agree as well. Good post.
 
northeast said:
thee jazz fan, I disagree, I would like to see all 4 of those guys averaging at least 20 mpg.
3 of them are substantially under that.
This could have been done simply by giving Al and Sap 5 minutes less game, and letting Sap play a little at the 3 once in a while. There are 6 guys who could have played 2 minutes less a game to make room for Burks. I am not sure if Evans should have played more too, because I've hardly seen him, but he could also have played some at the 3.
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What's 5 minutes in a 66 game condensed season? Live with it.
 
I also said play Millsap a bit at the 3 if it is important to get those guys minutes, so there is flexibility there.

The point is , there is a big difference between Kanter and Favors and Burks getting 13 minutes versus 20 minutes a game, especially when at 13 minutes it is mostly garbage time, whereas at 20 minutes they are getting more meaningful minutes.

To put it another way , I think that bringing the youths up in minutes from 14 to 19 helps them much more than bringing the vets down from 37 to 32 hurts them, and is a net gain for the team. Actually , I don't think that having the vets play a few less minutes should hurt them at all, it would likely help them too. It's a win win win win win win win.
 
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Patience serves a purpose if there's an objective or clear direction. I'm not sure that that was present regarding AK, Boozer, or Memo. March 1st is when things get interesting anyway.

If there's a problem right now, it's a coaching staff that is failing to correct it's problems and thinking the problem is OUR FUTURE playing TOO many minutes. I didn't - for the first time in my entire life - buy a new TV and cable to watch a bunch of non-Jazz players take up most the minutes while our two #3 picks play scrub minutes, and Burks can hardly get on the court, despite that there doesn't seem to be one consistent wing on the entire ****ing roster.

Oh well. I have faith in a Sloan-less, Larry-less KOC at the helm.
 
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