3/2/12: Utah Jazz vs Miami Heat

[vslice02]

If Hayward every figures it out mentally.....

I hear ya, another complete up&down game by Hayward. 2 completely unforced TO's where he literally passed the ball directly to the Heat. He followed one TO up in the 3rd-qtr with a horrible pass trying to hit Millsap flashing in the lane that fortunately ended up getting deflected by a Heat player straight to Al Jefferson for a dunk. Missed two layups and a few open jumpers but did hit the big 3, had the putback where he got fouled, the great block in transition (very AK47ish), a nice assist to Big Al off a side pick&roll, and overall was pretty aggressive driving to the rim.

If this kid can just start making open jumpers like he did to close out the 2010-11 season he'll be so much more effective. You'd like a player's progression to be linear or even exponential, but Hayward's peaks and valley's this season look more like a sine wave.

 

[BYE]

Amare has been a very poor defender his whole career. Favors is already better than he ever was on defense, and a lot bigger when he stretches out.

I was referring more to his offense and Amare's use of the pick-and-role with great athleticism (Amare's ranked 15th in P&R offense, 3 ahead of Favors). Favors is indeed longer than Amare and has much better center potential than Amare because of his superior length (as per the combine measurements). Favors is elite (18th league-wide) for percentage on the pick-and-roll because when he has a head of steam, he is very difficult to stop. Favors' defensive effort is light years ahead of Amare, and his rebounding is a bit better as well. Amare's probably a better shooter.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Being ranked 18th is elite? It's pretty good. To be elite in anything I'm thinking at least top 5.

 

[northeast]

30 teams x 12 players/team = 360 players
if elite = top 5%, then 18th is elite
if elite = top 10%, then 36th is elite.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

30 teams x 12 players/team = 360 players
if elite = top 5%, then 18th is elite
if elite = top 10%, then 36th is elite.

No, I mean Top 5 as in the number 5, not the percentage.

 

[northeast]

I know, I'm saying that 18th means he's better than 19 of 20 guys. Some might consider that elite.

 

[Dwill4mvp]

I know, I'm saying that 18th means he's better than 19 of 20 guys. Some might consider that elite.

That same logic tells us that Raja Bell is an elite 3 point shooter. Which he is a capable 3 point shooter I would never compare him to elites.

Al Jefferson is an elite shot blocker and rebounder. Neither of these are true.

 

[northeast]

That same logic tells us that Raja Bell is an elite 3 point shooter. Which he is a capable 3 point shooter I would never compare him to elites.

Al Jefferson is an elite shot blocker and rebounder. Neither of these are true.

ummm, no, I think you are making stuff up. Are you sure you don't have your facts upside down? Bell is in the top 5% of 3 point %?

 

[northeast]

Bell ranks 33rd amongst all players, 14th amongst 112 "qualified" players (nba.com) at .434, which is pretty damn good...
If he finishes the season at 18th out of all players, i would call that shooting at an elite level for this year.\

The guy currently at 18 is Ray Allen.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I would call Raja Bell an elite 3pt shooter. The guy is above 40% CAREER 3pt shooting. Not many guys can say that for as long as he has been in the league and how consistently he has been a good shooter.

Obviously he isn't a guy who isn't shooting it in peoples faces like Ray Allen, but as far as spot-up 3pt shooter go.

 

[candrew]

I would call Raja Bell an elite 3pt shooter. The guy is above 40% CAREER 3pt shooting. Not many guys can say that for as long as he has been in the league and how consistently he has been a good shooter.

Obviously he isn't a guy who isn't shooting it in peoples faces like Ray Allen, but as far as spot-up 3pt shooter go.

I think to be an elite 3 point shooter you have to be able to put on down with a hand in your face. I think you have to make the other team think about you once in a while.

Bell gets what the defense gives him - nothing more.

He's a good 3point shooter - he's also a smart 3point shootert. Elite? No ****ing way.

 

[candrew]

Someone should take Favors out to get laid or something.

He has to be the most sullen looking kid I've ever seen - I can't help but think he'd progress a little better if he tried to have a little fun out there every once in a while.