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What did KOC know and when?

What does it matter how much, or how little, KOC "negotiated"? The only question that matters is what KOC decided Matthews was worth. The reports are Matthews agent was gunning for the MLE, not using that as a threat to get a reasonable offer from the Jazz. Turns out, he was right. Now we're going to find out definitively what KOC thinks Matthews is worth. I can't find one thing KOC did wrong in this process.
 
billyshelby said:
What does it matter how much, or how little, KOC "negotiated"? The only question that matters is what KOC decided Matthews was worth. The reports are Matthews agent was gunning for the MLE, not using that as a threat to get a reasonable offer from the Jazz. Turns out, he was right. Now we're going to find out definitively what KOC thinks Matthews is worth. I can't find one thing KOC did wrong in this process.
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I agree with this, but it's simply absurd to claim that KOC "refused" to make an offer to Matthews. It's possible that Matthews refused to even hear one, I spoze. For example:

KOC: We are prepared to offer your client the amount of.....
AGENT: STOP RIGHT THERE! Is it the max?
KOC: No, I'm making an offer of...
AGENT: JUST SHUT UP, THEN! We don't even want to hear it. It's the max, or NUTHIN. Don't even call us if ya aint offerin the max. Good-bye.

Possible, but highly implausible.

The recurring suggestion here is that Matthews would immediately and gladly have accepted, say, $4 million a year IF only KOC had offered it, but KOC refused to make any kinda offer, or even ask them what they would be willing to take, under the max.

It's absurd, of course. If Matthews "only" wanted, say, $5 million, then he could have accepted an offer from Portland for that, and then let KOC match, if they wanted, even if he, Matthews, was unwillingly to tell KOC that directly for some unknown reason (which is yet another absurd assumption) and/or KOC refused to listen to any offer from Matthews (another absurdity).

For some reason, it seems that the more absurd the tale, the more attractive it is to conspiracy theorist types, eh?
 
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GlassEater said:
Good analysis.

We know KOC tried to move up to ostensibly get Cousins. When that didn't happen, I think he had the FA bigs and those who were supposedly on the trading block ranked in order. It's no secret Minny has wanted to trade Al. They would have taken something at the deadline had a good deal arisen.

Pretty sure Greg/KOC had already made up their mind re: Carlos. Sure, I guess they'd take him back at $10M if there was no market. But 99.9% chance he'd go elsewhere. But it's a PR game, don't bad-mouth him; you never know when you might have to deal with Pelinka again on another client.

KOC was undoubtedly working the phones, lining up Plan B-Z scenarios. But really, he couldn;t do much until Boozer made his deal (and he did a S&T to get a TPE and/or picks, like all teams try to do). And his hands have been tied in regards to the MLE - had to keep the entire amount open until someone made an offer for Wesley, or Wesley's agent did a deal with the Jazz.

Portland making an offer on Saturday to Wesley was a TREMENDOUS break. Dallas was SOOOOOOOO close to making the deal for Al. Imagine if Portland had waited a few days. KOC would be calling Harrington instead of doing the deal for Jefferson.

Kudos to KOC and a BIG THANKS to the Millers for stepping up to the plate.
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People are never going to be 100% satisfied, let alone 75%...
Thank KOC & The Millers for keeping up with our 'winning tradition' !!
 
One Brow said:
Deal. Out of everything you mentioned, and anything else I can recall, the only real mistake has been Kirilenko's contract. At the time, I supported that, too.
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You mean to say, KOC has been perfect except for the AK contract? Please. Several first round pick busts, several FA signings/trades that didnt get the required results. It is quite a long list
 
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