Why doesn't Utah have a Lottery?

[7StraightIsGreat]

This thread is getting bogged down in semantics, and like Hitler, I'm anti-semantics (he also happened to be anti-semitic, which I am not).

I haven't looked it up, and in fact I'm pretty sure I might just be talking out of my *** right now, but I'm willing to bet that not 1 state that participates in the lottery loses money on it. We can bicker about the distribution of the earnings, etc. but the bottom line is this: It's a time proven money maker. Now, I'm not passionate about whether or not Utah gets a lottery. If it ever came up on a ballot, I'd vote for it, but I certainly don't have the give a **** neccessary to push to put the issue on a ballot.

With that being said, it does annoy me that millions upon millions of Utah dollars leave the state each year in the form of Idaho lotto tickets or trips to Wendover. Not only should Utah have a lottery, I'll take it one step further and suggest that maybe Utah should look into letting the Ute tribe have a casino or 2 in specified areas within an hour or so of SLC. I bet the Utah money spent annually in Wendover dwarfs the $9 million per year that Utahns spend in Idaho. The fact is, Utah money is flying out the window each and every day and the neighboring states are gladly gobbling it all up.

For people who think it's morally wrong, or that things such as an indian casino and/or lotto would negatively affect life in Utah, all I can tell you is that the "element" you're so worried about already exists in this state. The people that drive to Wendover and Idaho on the weekends are you neighbors, co-workers, family members, and friends. They already live among you!

Again, I'm probably dumbing down the argument, but I'm a huge fan of keeping Utah money in Utah. Thank you for your time.

 

[Deleted member 365]

What broad problem are you trying to fix? You sound like someone who has no idea what he's talking about but you have your political talking points lined up.

Air conditioners are only 1 thing I listed. There is also asbestos in a lot of the schools, and many aren't earthquake safe either.

Utah isn't riddled with a bunch of bad teachers and waste of money. On the contrary, Utah is getting great results for how little is spent per student. If we want to improve it, we have to spend more. Period. That IS the problem right now. The dollars are already stretched too thin.

My bad for listing specific problems instead of unrelated general political talking points.

Ding ding ding!

Salty for the win!

Lets read what someone else said, not just some hack like gameface.

https://www.deseretnews.com/article/700043945/Utah-last-in-US-in-spending-per-pupil-2-again.html

University of Utah research economist Pam Perlich said Utah has about 35.8 school-age children per 100 "working age" people — nearly a third higher than the national average, according to census estimates. Idaho also has the second-highest students-per-worker ratio.

Newton said educators from others states marvel at how Utah is able to get by on such limited funding. The simple answer, he said, is that they have no other option.

"In public education, you can't say, 'I'm sorry, you can't come to school this year,' " he said. "Not having the money is not an excuse. … Over time, I think school districts and educators in Utah have learned to do more with less, and to work harder and smarter because they have to. There's no other choice."

School districts cope through a number of methods, such as hiring uncertified employees to man their libraries, and relying on aides who receive on-the-job training. This year, at least eight districts will be cutting back on their instructional days, and in districts throughout the state, portable classrooms are used as a means of accommodating population surges and staving off building projects until funding is available.

 

[Deleted member 365]

This thread is getting bogged down in semantics, and like Hitler, I'm anti-semantics (he also happened to be anti-semitic, which I am not).

I haven't looked it up, and in fact I'm pretty sure I might just be talking out of my *** right now, but I'm willing to bet that not 1 state that participates in the lottery loses money on it. We can bicker about the distribution of the earnings, etc. but the bottom line is this: It's a time proven money maker. Now, I'm not passionate about whether or not Utah gets a lottery. If it ever came up on a ballot, I'd vote for it, but I certainly don't have the give a **** neccessary to push to put the issue on a ballot.

With that being said, it does annoy me that millions upon millions of Utah dollars leave the state each year in the form of Idaho lotto tickets or trips to Wendover. Not only should Utah have a lottery, I'll take it one step further and suggest that maybe Utah should look into letting the Ute tribe have a casino or 2 in specified areas within an hour or so of SLC. I bet the Utah money spent annually in Wendover dwarfs the $9 million per year that Utahns spend in Idaho. The fact is, Utah money is flying out the window each and every day and the neighboring states are gladly gobbling it all up.

For people who think it's morally wrong, or that things such as an indian casino and/or lotto would negatively affect life in Utah, all I can tell you is that the "element" you're so worried about already exists in this state. The people that drive to Wendover and Idaho on the weekends are you neighbors, co-workers, family members, and friends. They already live among you!

Again, I'm probably dumbing down the argument, but I'm a huge fan of keeping Utah money in Utah. Thank you for your time.

This is the #1 issue I have. I can care less what religious wackos think of it. It's sad how so many of our state leaders talk out of both sides of their mouths. Often, it's to enforce their own religious standards and beliefs upon the populace. Is it because they are insecure in their own beliefs? Or are they merely using unrighteous dominion on their fellow brothers and sisters? I'm still not sure.

On one hand, they talk about freedom and less government while simultaneously getting government more entrenched in our lives. I'm LDS and decide not to gamble. That said, if we had a lotto I wouldn't give a damn. There' sa thing called "free agency" that supposedly LDS people support. If gambling is against your views, then don't gamble. Just because drinking is against my religious beliefs doesn't mean that I believe in prohibition. That's stupid.

Keep Utah dollars here. Use your free agency to decide whether to gamble or not. I don't think the government should get in the way of the lottery....

 

[Stoked]

https://knowledgebase.findlaw.com/kb/2011/Feb/266829.html

Bad Utah teacher. Being thrifty is not the only bench mark for what is or is not a good teacher. The vast majority are good, hard working, honest teachers. However you all know there are bad ones.

 

[SaltyDawg]

https://knowledgebase.findlaw.com/kb/2011/Feb/266829.html

Bad Utah teacher. Being thrifty is not the only bench mark for what is or is not a good teacher. The vast majority are good, hard working, honest teachers. However you all know there are bad ones.

Out of the entire state, yes, there will be some bad apples. How do you propose to weed them out without spending more money?

Statistically, I don't think there are enough bad apples to warrant revamping the system in order to weed them out. And if any action were to be taken, it would certainly require spending money, for a minimal improvement at best.

If Utah had a major problem with teachers sleeping with students, then you would have a point. But it's something that rarely happens, and when it does, those bad apples are immediately removed.

 

[Stoked]

This thread is getting bogged down in semantics, and like Hitler, I'm anti-semantics (he also happened to be anti-semitic, which I am not).

I haven't looked it up, and in fact I'm pretty sure I might just be talking out of my *** right now, but I'm willing to bet that not 1 state that participates in the lottery loses money on it. We can bicker about the distribution of the earnings, etc. but the bottom line is this: It's a time proven money maker. Now, I'm not passionate about whether or not Utah gets a lottery. If it ever came up on a ballot, I'd vote for it, but I certainly don't have the give a **** neccessary to push to put the issue on a ballot.

With that being said, it does annoy me that millions upon millions of Utah dollars leave the state each year in the form of Idaho lotto tickets or trips to Wendover. Not only should Utah have a lottery, I'll take it one step further and suggest that maybe Utah should look into letting the Ute tribe have a casino or 2 in specified areas within an hour or so of SLC. I bet the Utah money spent annually in Wendover dwarfs the $9 million per year that Utahns spend in Idaho. The fact is, Utah money is flying out the window each and every day and the neighboring states are gladly gobbling it all up.

For people who think it's morally wrong, or that things such as an indian casino and/or lotto would negatively affect life in Utah, all I can tell you is that the "element" you're so worried about already exists in this state. The people that drive to Wendover and Idaho on the weekends are you neighbors, co-workers, family members, and friends. They already live among you!

Again, I'm probably dumbing down the argument, but I'm a huge fan of keeping Utah money in Utah. Thank you for your time.

I think the bolded part is huge. All we are avoiding by not allowing the lottery is the revenue. Even if they did not invest that money in education there are plenty of other areas to invest it. Emergency services, healthcare, roads, anti drug and anti gang programs/activites for kids... It is a shame that it is not allowed here.

 

[franklin]

It's not a stretch to believe that providing better and more comfortable environments will improve education.

It's beyond stretching... retention is about interest and ambition and not controlled environment programmed learning... like our children are robotics in some lab... lol... just manage teh enviros an they will lernzzzzz!!!

Your drivel counters the notion that universal education is beneficial to all. Under your assumptions, the more you provide it the less interested the free riding students become. Gameface's libertarian views kick your predictable Turrets *** again without even responding. Too bad I didn't log in before seeing your post.

 

[SaltyDawg]

It's beyond stretching... retention is about interest and ambition and not controlled environment programmed learning... like our children are robotics in some lab... lol... just manage teh enviros an they will lernzzzzz!!!

Your drivel counters the notion that universal education is beneficial to all. Under your assumptions, the more you provide it the less interested the free riding students become. Gameface's libertarian views kick your predictable Turrets *** again without even responding. Too bad I didn't log in before seeing your post.

Actually The Thriller was spot on. There have been plenty of studies that show temperature and lighting (among other things) has an affect on production and learning abilities. I took a couple courses on this back in the college days but that was a while back. A quick google brought this up though:
https://www.educause.edu/EDUCAUSE+R...olume41/ThePsychologyofLearningEnviron/158100

"Previous research on the effects of such environmental variables as light, temperature, and noise on learning has yielded some predictable results that are addressed through traditional classroom design. Learning appears to be affected adversely by inadequate light, extreme temperatures, and loud noises—variables maintained within acceptable ranges in most college classrooms."

 

[Deleted member 365]

https://knowledgebase.findlaw.com/kb/2011/Feb/266829.html

Bad Utah teacher. Being thrifty is not the only bench mark for what is or is not a good teacher. The vast majority are good, hard working, honest teachers. However you all know there are bad ones.

*gasp*

You mean teachers are human?

There are bad x in whatever profession, location, and social structure possible. It's really not that hard to find. And it doesn't teach you anything. You could find bad pastors, bad CEOs, bad bankers, bad Presidents, bad coaches, bad students, bad teachers, bad airline pilots, bad contractors, bad garbage men......

The real issue the success story in Utah. Despite receiving less (in almost every aspect possible) Utah teachers... And to their credit, students... Are doing more with less.

 

[Stoked]

*gasp*

You mean teachers are human?

There are bad x in whatever profession, location, and social structure possible. It's really not that hard to find. And it doesn't teach you anything. You could find bad pastors, bad CEOs, bad bankers, bad Presidents, bad coaches, bad students, bad teachers, bad airline pilots, bad contractors, bad garbage men......

The real issue the success story in Utah. Despite receiving less (in almost every aspect possible) Utah teachers... And to their credit, students... Are doing more with less.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOhd_dKwxVs

 

[Gameface]

The school calendar may not be new, but the number of kids crammed in that building is something that keeps growing and growing.

And to say that they did it 100 years ago so we should do it today is pretty foolish. As time moves forward, things improve. For example, they didn't have computers generating heat when the school was built. They didn't have a TV in every classroom for videos which also generate heat.

We'll see if your tune changes when you have kids old enough where this affects you. Let your house get 80 or 85 degrees one day and see if you think it's okay. And then understand that a whole lot of our schools are at that temperature for most of April, almost all of May, all of June, all of August, and a good portion of September.

Yeah, I must take my position because I wouldn't benefit from the alternative. Principles have nothing to do with it. I'm just an idiot voting myself benefits until the well runs dry.

 

[Stoked]

Yeah, I must take my position because I wouldn't benefit from the alternative. Principles have nothing to do with it. I'm just an idiot voting myself benefits until the well runs dry.

Don't you know that is the way to argue? No one but them ever has an informed decision. We all get it from fox news or something else they hate.