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Jazz Playoff Watch

wes matthews did it.
Malone did it.
Stockton did it.
Sam Cassell did it.
Andrei Kirilenko did it.

Besides, you seem to think that a players has to be an allstar to help the team.
The 8th or 12th player can help the team be better if he does a good job with the time he is on the floor..

Also, i am not looking at just one year.
A good pick can pay off for years to come.
 
If the Jazz just won 3 more games this year, they'd have been fighting for 4th instead of 8th.

I have seen many young players come on and help teams win in the playoffs with 10 minutes.

You only want allstars, or impact players, by which I think you mean near all stars.
The guys coming off the bench can make a big difference sometimes.

One good pick might be good enough to be a starter, or a good bench player in limited minutes, and could easily make a difference enough for an extra 3 wins , or even more.
 
Looks like Aldredge is out for the Blazers... we have 2 games remaining with them so that should help our chances. Also if they keep losing they 'could' fall below Golden State but that win against the Warriors the other night doesn't help.
 
Cope said:
Looks like Aldredge is out for the Blazers... we have 2 games remaining with them so that should help our chances. Also if they keep losing they 'could' fall below Golden State but that win against the Warriors the other night doesn't help.
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GS needs 1 or 2 wins to stay ahead of the teams below them. Portland has 3 more wins than GS. I haven't been worried about the teams above GS since Portland beat them a few weeks ago.
 
I hope Jefferson Harris Favors and all the rest of them suddenly start putting it all together and dominate the rest of the year, make the playoffs, and keep up the momentum there too. We've seen them do it in stretches, so it is not so far fetched.
I also hope the jazz get the Warriors pick.
If the Jazz don't make the playoffs, I hope they find a good player or 2 in the draft.
 
I just watched the Bulls beat Miami in OT... Asik, Watson, Gibson, all made key plays for the win, and would be welcome additions to a Jazz squad. You can find guys like this even late in a draft, although it is true that these examples all have some years experience.
 
To be thorough,

Oklahoma City: Can't tie
San Antonio: Can't tie
LA Lakers: Tied season series (2-2), lost tiebreaker on conference records (Lakers worst possible: 28-20, Jazz best possible: 27-21)
LA Clippers: Lost tiebreaker on season series (1-2)
Memphis: Won tiebreaker on season series (2-0, 1 game remaining)
Dallas: Lost tiebreaker on season series (0-3, 1 game remaining)
Houston: Won tiebreaker on season series (2-1)
Denver: Won tiebreaker on season series (2-1)
Phoenix: Lost tiebreaker on season series (0-2, 1 game remaining)
Portland: Season series undetermined (2-0, 2 games remaining), won tiebreaker on division records (Jazz worst possible: 7-6, Blazers best possible: 6-8)
Minnesota: Won tiebreaker on season series (2-1)
Golden State: Can't tie
Sacramento: Can't tie
New Orleans: Can't tie

And Hollinger's Playoff Odds thing now has us at exactly 50.0% chance for playoffs. On the other hand, ESPN's AccuScore also told us that the Jazz had only a 22% chance to beat Houston in Houston, so...
 
fishonjazz said:
Brown notes is right that us getting swept and not being competitive is not a given and i believe that if the jazz ARE competitive in the playoffs then alot of us that were wanting to miss the playoffs will change our tune and eat crow. Im all for playoffs if the jazz are competitive..... but watching the spurs and thunder play and watching us play i see a big gap.

Apparently some fans (brown notes) think we are just sooo close to competing with the best in the west.
I dont think we are close to the best in the west but would LOVE to be wrong about that
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My bigger worry about making the playoffs is that management will think we are getting close and keep this whole team together. Kinda like the year when they made WCF finals (06?). They thought they were right there, but it was mainly due to getting GS in the second round. Yet it seems they would not recognize that so we went several more years with booz-ak-okur and diminishing returns.

I feel that this team as currently put together will never get there. They have too many bigs and not enough productive wings. They need to move Big Al and get a wing who can shoot the 3 ball, give more minutes to favors and kanter. But will they do that if they make it to PO?
 
gomretat said:
I find Nerd's analysis spot on. And why anyone thinks that getting a pick is better than getting into the playoffs is beyond me. Playoffs or bust. You have to build culture of winning and you have to learn how to play in the post season - even if you get swept.
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This post you are responding to is a perfect reason why northeast is on my ignore list. Carry on nerd. I've been impressed with your insight and will give you rep for it right now. (BTW, I wasn't convinced by your brother's assertion that the players probably don't know the pick situation for their own teams. I think it's very likely that they do.)
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
This post you are responding to is a perfect reason why northeast is on my ignore list. Carry on nerd. I've been impressed with your insight and will give you rep for it right now. (BTW, I wasn't convinced by your brother's assertion that the players probably don't know the pick situation for their own teams. I think it's very likely that they do.)
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they probably know (at least vaguely) the protection situation... i think my brother's larger point is that they probably don't care. the NBA is competitive, and if you're a golden state warrior in the last year or two of your contract, then adding a #7 pick probably doesn't do much for you other than hurt your chances of re-signing. the only way you would actually be motivated to help your team get a high pick is if you knew you were a part of your team's future, at least in the medium term.

in golden state's case, i think that means four guys: david lee (signed through '16), andrew bogut (through '14, but they'll obviously try to keep him), steph curry (signed through '14, then a likely extension will kick in), and klay thompson (through '15 and then an extension). of those four, two are injured and have no impact on how the team plays down the stretch of close games like the last two nights. and out of lee and thompson, i haven't seen anything that indicates that they want to lose.

as for the rest of their roster, a high draft pick probably hurts them more than helps them -- won't get resigned, will lose minutes/shots in a contract year, etc.
 
tonight's playoff watch guide:

dallas @ portland
denver @ lakers
phoenix @ houston
jazz @ new orleans

with phoenix's upcoming schedule, i'd feel a lot better if they won than if houston did. if that happens and dallas finds a way to lose to portland (unlikely), then a denver loss and a jazz win send us to bed with this mess in the west:

6. dallas 33-27
7. houston 32-27 (1/2 GB) - by virtue of conference record tiebreaker over denver
8. denver 32-27 (1/2 GB)
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9. utah 32-28 (1 GB)
10. phoenix 31-28 (1 1/2 GB)

more likely, dallas and houston win, which gives us the same order, but 2 1/2 games separating the five teams as opposed to 1 1/2.
 
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