The Jazz played it safe yesterday. In particular, the coaching staff did. Corbin played Howard over Carroll in the starting unit because Howard has more playoff experience. Who cares? Carroll has been part of a starting unit that has won five in a row going into the playoffs, and Howard hasn't played beyond a few minutes in over a month. Carroll plays with a bit of reckless abandon and you want that especially in the playoffs. Utah often fails to bring energy to games on the road and Carroll helps with that. If Utah would have treated it like just another game and not have messed with the success up to this point, maybe they would have won. Instead they changed things, aggravated and put more pressure on the moment, and were playing not to get blown out. Plus, Corbin didn't play the big line-up until late in the second half, and they cut the lead quickly to 3 or 4 points, then he changed it again. The Jazz have nothing to lose and they should play that way. No one expects them to win more than one game against the Spurs, so why play in a way and why think in a way that makes that true.
Play like you have nothing to lose...
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Yes there are other better coaches. But we could also end up with a coach like Mark Jackson or what ever that numbnuts who coaches the Golden State Tankers name is.
Wouldn't playing Howard go along with the "We have nothing to lose" attitude? It's a gamble to play a veteran just coming back from injury. Playing Carroll would be the safe thing to do in my opinion.
MoTappin
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I'm hearing that Howard will start again on Wednesday. RT@sluhm: Coach Corbin says he will likely start Josh Howard again at small forward, but the coaches will talk about it today and tonight.
Bonehead move, IMO. Yes Howard has playoff experience. But like Jeffrey32 said, so what? Caroll has been part of our successful starting 5 late in the season. He hustles in ways Howard can't or doesn't.
They need hustle at both ends of the floor. They need to play like they mean it, and they didn't on Sunday. Time to play mean!
Bonehead move, IMO. Yes Howard has playoff experience. But like Jeffrey32 said, so what? Caroll has been part of our successful starting 5 late in the season. He hustles in ways Howard can't or doesn't.
They need hustle at both ends of the floor. They need to play like they mean it, and they didn't on Sunday. Time to play mean!
I thought when Bell left that he is exactly what the Jazz needed during their playoff run a few years ago. I also remember thinking that it would be awesome to have Josh Howard on the Jazz around the same time. Now the Jazz are in the Playoffs and have both! Too bad its 5-6 years too late on both of them...
We do need some good role players for the next few years when are young guys are the stars of the team. Hopefully we can find some who in their prime are like these two were. Thats what I wanted from the late lottery pick this year, hopefully we find someone. I haven't been able to watch the games much, so I don't have much of an opinion on Carrolle, maybe he's the next Matthews/bell UDFA that will do great wherever he signs after here.
The Jazz won't win this series, but hopefully the experience proves valuable. I don't know if Howard being on the floor gives them the experience by example, or if they need to do it on their own. I would lean toward the latter and let those who might be part of the future learn by experience. He only has experience because he played in games. Give the other guys the opportunity to have "experience." Plus, he kinda stinks right now and can't hit an open shot.
We do need some good role players for the next few years when are young guys are the stars of the team. Hopefully we can find some who in their prime are like these two were. Thats what I wanted from the late lottery pick this year, hopefully we find someone. I haven't been able to watch the games much, so I don't have much of an opinion on Carrolle, maybe he's the next Matthews/bell UDFA that will do great wherever he signs after here.
The Jazz won't win this series, but hopefully the experience proves valuable. I don't know if Howard being on the floor gives them the experience by example, or if they need to do it on their own. I would lean toward the latter and let those who might be part of the future learn by experience. He only has experience because he played in games. Give the other guys the opportunity to have "experience." Plus, he kinda stinks right now and can't hit an open shot.
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I would try starting Bell if I was coach. He can actually shoot, so teams can't leave him wide open like they do Howard. I'm still laughing at that corner 3 where Josh got the ball and the whole Spurs team was just looking at him like "Oh, you got 15 feet of open space. You going to shoot it bitch?". Then he shoots it, missed badly, it bounces straight to one of their guards and they get a fastbreak opportunity.
Bell, Hayward, and Harris give you three 35% or better 3pt shooters at once on the floor. Spacing is our biggest problem offensively and Bell should help that.
Bell, Hayward, and Harris give you three 35% or better 3pt shooters at once on the floor. Spacing is our biggest problem offensively and Bell should help that.
t.work
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I agree. Spacing is everything when you're primarily running a half-court offense like the Jazz do. Bell would keep the defense honest.
Spaniard
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I agree that Josh Howard shouldn't be playing. He wasn't playing well even before the injury, to bring him back now and expect anything else is somewhat crazy.
Also, when did Hayward turn into Bryon Russell? Did he put the ball down and dribble once the whole game (not in a breakaway)? I guess I shouldn't be too surprised. Corbin is trying to mirror Sloan who must have forbidden anybody but a point guard to dribble. I'll be honest, I could only watch short spurts of the game because of the PTSD it was causing as I was having flashbacks of the 90's Jazz. Very depressing to see some of those same problems in our 'new' team. The Jazz have to be the easiest half court team in the league to defend.
Also, when did Hayward turn into Bryon Russell? Did he put the ball down and dribble once the whole game (not in a breakaway)? I guess I shouldn't be too surprised. Corbin is trying to mirror Sloan who must have forbidden anybody but a point guard to dribble. I'll be honest, I could only watch short spurts of the game because of the PTSD it was causing as I was having flashbacks of the 90's Jazz. Very depressing to see some of those same problems in our 'new' team. The Jazz have to be the easiest half court team in the league to defend.
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Hayward did have 12 FT's and IMO took what the defense gave him.
I still feel like we called a lot of plays for him that got blown up because he couldn't handle Ginobili's defense.
12/12 was impressive though, I just wish they would have led to him catching fire from the floor and going for 30.
Seemed like Pop was testing if Hayward could handle pressure, and I think Pop was sort of right. He was able to draw fouls, but he locked him down for the most part in the halfcourt by playing physical defense.
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Good learning experience IMO, lets see as the series goes by if he can improve and make adjustments. I was more on the line of for him being a 2nd year player and first playoff game, it wasn't bad.
Playing Howard is the safe conservative move. Playing the scrub bob marley energy player is the bolder move. I don't like either guy at the moment, but
clearly Howard is not playing well. Carroll was playing ok, and we were winning with him. You have to go with who is playing better. That clearly is Carroll.
Or gasp! Play Burks more.
clearly Howard is not playing well. Carroll was playing ok, and we were winning with him. You have to go with who is playing better. That clearly is Carroll.
Or gasp! Play Burks more.
So continuing to start with the guy who is "ok" is the risky move opposed to taking the veteran who has a higher talent and ability level, but is coming off injury and rusty? Do you understand the concepts of safe and risky?
No, because of his reasoning which was previous playoff experience and had nothing to do with the way Howard was currently playing. He believed that playoff experience was more crucial than how team was rolling and playing together. He put the breaks on their momentum and growth. Playoff experience doesn't mean anything and as soon as you say you need playoff experience to a team that really has none, you have already lost. he should have said, let's just rolls with it, go all out, and play like you got nothing to lose.