JimLes
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But I teach more than just your child. I teach everyone's child. With different needs, abilities, income-levels, domestic situations, etc. How can you be an expert on what's best for everyone's child?
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But I teach more than just your child. I teach everyone's child. With different needs, abilities, income-levels, domestic situations, etc. How can you be an expert on what's best for everyone's child?
JimLes
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I apologize. I did not realize having a child makes you an expert on one. I suppose that makes me a car mechanic.
How do you know what that "public" has had to do? You are advocating that I turn over total control to a group of people when I (general term) no say in their standards, cirriculum, requirements... that is insane.
JimLes
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You do the same with doctors. Why am I different? You trust a doctor with your life.
You missed the our. Yes I know what is better for my child than any teacher does. Do I know what is best for someone elses child of course not but you know that is not the areguement being made here. None of us are advocating removing all control from teachers the way you are advocating total control.
JimLes
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I'm not asking for total control, I'm asking for professional autonomy. The same one had by doctors, lawyers, accountants...hell, NBA players.
Poor example for several reasons. I have my choice of doctors. I am not mandated to one by where I live. Doctors also have a much more rigourous education to become doctors, as they should considering what they do. Doctors are not molding the future as teachers are.
Make no mistake I think teaching is a noble proffesion and one of the most crucial to any society. I am not agaisnt teachers. I think they generally are underpaid and vastly under appreciated. However they way things are is not working and the unions protecting bad teachers is insanity to me. If anything they should be the ones pushing out bad teachers and bad practices.
No becasue of what your profession entails. I ahve to go for now but will willingly continue this discussion later.
Good talking to you.
In addition, if I go to a doctor and don't like something about them I can go get a second opinion or change doctors.
green
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Another bad example. A doctor is licensed by the state to practice medicine. A teacher is licensed by....no one.
green
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Again, your are talking about licensed professionals. People that HAVE taken calculus, upper division math and science courses, upper division english....not teachers with a high school algebra background in math.
You want the same privileges as LICENSED PROFESSIONALS? Become a licensed professional.
It's damn hard, and good luck. A lot of my undergrad classmates are now teachers.
green
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Actually, what education is for is to prepare my child to take entrance exams to college. That is the sole purpose of schooling. There are other nice benefits, but they are not the reason I send my kids to school. I am my child's parent. It's up to me to make sure they aren't socially awkward, that they know the importance of showering daily, they know the dangers of per-marital sex, if needed, it is my job to find a babysitter (a teacher is not a babysitter), it is my job to make sure they study at night and actually learn the material that the teacher is presenting.
The whole point of school is to learn a skill that will help the child be a normal, functioning adult. In my opinion, the easiest way for my kid to enjoy their adulthood, is to become a professional. It is up to me to give my child the tools, motivation, and skills to become that. It is up to my child to use those tools. It is up to the teacher to get my child ready to take entrance exams.