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Add Yellow and Red Cards to Basketball

AlaskanAssassin

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In watching the NBA finals last night, and watching Durant have to sit due to foul trouble, it got me thinking of ways to eliminate the 6-foul (or 5 for HS and college) and you're out rule in basketball. Watching Euro 2012 also attributed to this idea. Before I reveal how this drastic change would be implemented, let me give some background:

1- I hate excessive time spent at the free throw line.

2- Forcing a coach to remove a great player in favor of a lesser one is counterproductive in trying to provide the best entertainment possible.

3- I hate the concept of fouling someone to avoid the "easy basket", and making them "earn" it at the FT line. (Have they not earned it already by getting to the rim?)

4- The game of basketball was never meant to be as physical as it is played today. It was an off-season sport for Football players to stay in shape. It's a game of finesse and skill, not brute force.

5- Intentional fouls happen far more frequently than they are called in the NBA, it's just difficult for refs to determine intent. In fact, I would argue that a large percentage of fouls are at least partially intentional, where the player knows they are making a play that is likely to be deemed a foul play, only hoping for a non-call.

I am proposing the addition of yellow (caution) cards and red (suspension) cards. Yellow cards would be used for fouls that are overly physical in nature and/or intentional by the player committing the foul. Red cards would be used in the event of obviously intentional or malicious play. These may be plays where the foulee (just made up that word) is put in danger.

Yellow cards would be issued any time a defending player has little to no chance of impeding the offensive player and a foul is still called. (This again goes back to intent. If they have no chance of stopping the scorer, why should they be committing a foul?)

Normal personal fouls would continue, but a portion of these fouls under the new rules would be considered Yellow-Card fouls.

One red card or two yellow cards would result in an ejection (and possible suspension) from the game. With this we would eliminate the 6-fouls and you're out rule.

I know there is a lot in there that would be subjective for referees, but no more subjective than what we use today.

Finally, I would propose that all free throws awarded would be shot at the end of the quarter in which they happen, except for the 4th quarter where they would be shot immediately following the foul play. This would help limit the constant trips to the free throw line.

Can you imagine Tim Duncan being hit with a Red Card? Sound good to me!

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This is why we have flagrant fouls..

Yellow = Flagrant 1 - two of them and you are out
Red = Flagrant 2 - automatic ejection
 
This is why we have flagrant fouls..

Yellow = Flagrant 1 - two of them and you are out
Red = Flagrant 2 - automatic ejection

You're missing the point. I think that Flagrant 1's (Yellow) should be used with much more frequency (like in soccer, multiple times each match). Along with this individual limits on personal fouls would be eliminated.
 
You're missing the point. I think that Flagrant 1's (Yellow) should be used with much more frequency (like in soccer, multiple times each match). Along with this individual limits on personal fouls would be eliminated.

Yeah but I think that would just create excess flopping. The league is already getting pretty bad on flops let alone if this was like soccer where people literally dive on the ground just to get their opponent a yellow.
 
1- I hate excessive time spent at the free throw line.
Agreed but I understand it to an extent. This is a good time for the guys to catch a quicker breather. I would propose eliminating the high 5 ritual after every 1st free throw.

2- Forcing a coach to remove a great player in favor of a lesser one is counterproductive in trying to provide the best entertainment possible.
Well technically they aren't forced. It's strategy to take the out of the game. I would rather see them bump the total personal fouls to 7 than implement drastic changes.

3- I hate the concept of fouling someone to avoid the "easy basket", and making them "earn" it at the FT line. (Have they not earned it already by getting to the rim?)
Again strategy. The defender take a considerable risk in committing the foul. He could give up 3 points as opposed to 2 and risk being benched for foul trouble or even disqualified. You make it sound like it's an automatic to foul on every easy basket.

4- The game of basketball was never meant to be as physical as it is played today. It was an off-season sport for Football players to stay in shape. It's a game of finesse and skill, not brute force.
It still is a finesse game for the most part. How else would little guys like Iverson & Derrick Rose be able to dominate?

5- Intentional fouls happen far more frequently than they are called in the NBA, it's just difficult for refs to determine intent. In fact, I would argue that a large percentage of fouls are at least partially intentional, where the player knows they are making a play that is likely to be deemed a foul play, only hoping for a non-call.
I see what you are saying. I think the officiating is too subjective. It needs to be more consistent accross the board with officials. It can't be a foul with one official and not with another based on the referee's opinion.

I think the card system would be too much of a drastic change to basketball that it could kill or damage the sport severely.
 
Nice try, but these are all pretty bad suggestions. I agree I would like to see less FT's, but this isn't the way to do it.

Anything that limits strategy in basketball (which I feel has been limited by some recent playing styles) is something I'm against.



I would like to see some of these charges taken away though. I hate when a player slides in last second, many times when the offensive player is already in the air, and take a charge. Sometime charges are great, smart defensive plays, but recently a lot of the ones I've been seeing seem cheaper. They need to extend the restricted area out about 2 more feet and allow more physical contact down low.
 
Nice try, but these are all pretty bad suggestions. I agree I would like to see less FT's, but this isn't the way to do it.

Anything that limits strategy in basketball (which I feel has been limited by some recent playing styles) is something I'm against.



I would like to see some of these charges taken away though. I hate when a player slides in last second, many times when the offensive player is already in the air, and take a charge. Sometime charges are great, smart defensive plays, but recently a lot of the ones I've been seeing seem cheaper. They need to extend the restricted area out about 2 more feet and allow more physical contact down low.

My biggest complaint about taking a charge is how players can't both take a charge and actively be defending the offensive player. Why the defender has to stand with his arms at his side and take it in the chest is beyond me. Why can't players be actively defending (blocking a shot, attempting a steal, etc.) the offensive player while also being eligible to take a charge for the team?
 
1- I hate excessive time spent at the free throw line.
Agreed but I understand it to an extent. This is a good time for the guys to catch a quicker breather. I would propose eliminating the high 5 ritual after every 1st free throw.

2- Forcing a coach to remove a great player in favor of a lesser one is counterproductive in trying to provide the best entertainment possible.
Well technically they aren't forced. It's strategy to take the out of the game. I would rather see them bump the total personal fouls to 7 than implement drastic changes.

3- I hate the concept of fouling someone to avoid the "easy basket", and making them "earn" it at the FT line. (Have they not earned it already by getting to the rim?)
Again strategy. The defender take a considerable risk in committing the foul. He could give up 3 points as opposed to 2 and risk being benched for foul trouble or even disqualified. You make it sound like it's an automatic to foul on every easy basket.

4- The game of basketball was never meant to be as physical as it is played today. It was an off-season sport for Football players to stay in shape. It's a game of finesse and skill, not brute force.
It still is a finesse game for the most part. How else would little guys like Iverson & Derrick Rose be able to dominate?

5- Intentional fouls happen far more frequently than they are called in the NBA, it's just difficult for refs to determine intent. In fact, I would argue that a large percentage of fouls are at least partially intentional, where the player knows they are making a play that is likely to be deemed a foul play, only hoping for a non-call.
I see what you are saying. I think the officiating is too subjective. It needs to be more consistent accross the board with officials. It can't be a foul with one official and not with another based on the referee's opinion.

I think the card system would be too much of a drastic change to basketball that it could kill or damage the sport severely.

Thanks for the reply. Yes, I didn't expect everyone to love these ideas because of how drastic they are. I like what you said about the subjective nature of foul calls.
 
1. Karl Malone wasn't a softie like you sounding.

2. Karl Malone was smart enough to stay out of foul trouble.

3. Karl Malone foul instead of allowing easy bucket.

4. Karl Malone played very physical.

5. Karl Malone did not intentionally foul Isaiah Thomas.

6. Karl Malone averaged 8.9 FTAs per game.

7. If it good enough for Karl Malone it good enough for me.
 
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