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What is the FO vision of the team?

l Abach l

l Abach l

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I'm not much of a poster on jazzfanz but do have strong opinions regarding the jazz organization, due to family who have worked in upper management within the organization.

That being said, does anyone else question the direction? Is it really a championship? Is the jazz team wanting to settle for a playoff showing just for the $$? (Huge revenues come just from making the playoffs as an eighth seed)

Without sounding like a pessamistic fan, when I look at our current roster, it screams mediocrity to me. Does anyone else feel this way?


Mo Williams - Average player now, once an allstar
Gordon Hayward - STREAKY, and inconsistent
Marvin Williams - Average at best.
Derrick Favors - Honestly, the ONLY player on the roster that I consider an above average player
Al Jefferson - Stat padder

Millsap - Many of you think he should start, but he is too undersized to be a starter on a championship team, let's face it. He's NOT good enough to start at the 3 either, he's not quick enough and can't shoot the 3.

Bench - average bench.

I'm not being a hater, I love the jazz. I have been a fan my whole life, through and through. I just question the current roster and hope they can land a franchise player. I still don't understand the direction of the roster... I hate settling for first/second round playoff exits. I want a ****ing championship!!
 
Outside of Durant, I think many would have had the same opinion of the OKC roster a few years ago.

The goal is always to build a contender. That said, how many different teams have actually won a championship over the past decade? The main goal of the Millers is to have a playoff team and make $. They're not gazillionaires like Allen, Prokhorov, etc. So moves have to make fiscal sense too. We can't have a Joe Johnson-like salary on the team. You won't see the Jazz in luxury tax territory unless it's a near guarantee they'll be playing for a championship during that 2-3 years. And even then, I think it would barely be in the luxury tax; the penalties are just too severe.

As for your asessment, yes, Favors is the guy we're counting on to be our superstar (or at least perennial all-star). Not far behind would be Hayward. Yes, inconsistent, but still very young and he has so many skills. Have you heard Barkley salivate over him? Both of those players are on the team which will be scrimmaging against the Olympians. In the words of Joe Biden, that's a pretty big $#%^ deal! ;)

You didn't mention Burks or Kanter, though. I think both are expected to be eventual starters.

Mo is not the long-term answer. Definitely need a young PG. Between $20M+ in cap space, the expiring contract of Jefferson and two likely 1st-rounders (ours and the GS pick), I think it's likely we pick up a good PG PLUS another quality big.

I think we all hope Favors and Kanter are the eventual starters. Having a 17/9 guy come off the bench in Millsap, who can dominate backups and hit shots from all over the court, including 3's, would give us a heck of a 6th man.

KOC's vision appears to be creating mismatches at as many positions as possible. Hayward is big SG, Favors a load at PF and if it works, there is even talk of Burks playing some at PG (as a backup I presume). And now we got Marvin Williams, who is a big SF. That should lead to a lot of post-up opportunities.
 
l Abach l said:
I'm not much of a poster on jazzfanz but do have strong opinions regarding the jazz organization, due to family who have worked in upper management within the organization.

That being said, does anyone else question the direction? Is it really a championship? Is the jazz team wanting to settle for a playoff showing just for the $$? (Huge revenues come just from making the playoffs as an eighth seed)

Without sounding like a pessamistic fan, when I look at our current roster, it screams mediocrity to me. Does anyone else feel this way?


Mo Williams - Average player now, once an allstar
Gordon Hayward - STREAKY, and inconsistent
Marvin Williams - Average at best.
Derrick Favors - Honestly, the ONLY player on the roster that I consider an above average player
Al Jefferson - Stat padder

Millsap - Many of you think he should start, but he is too undersized to be a starter on a championship team, let's face it. He's NOT good enough to start at the 3 either, he's not quick enough and can't shoot the 3.

Bench - average bench.

I'm not being a hater, I love the jazz. I have been a fan my whole life, through and through. I just question the current roster and hope they can land a franchise player. I still don't understand the direction of the roster... I hate settling for first/second round playoff exits. I want a ****ing championship!!
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And somehow we made the playoffs last year with a worse roster, a 1st time coach, and no training camp. You are underselling a lot of the players.
 
Like I said before I don't want to be the devil's advocate, but I really don't think I'm underselling. Minny got screwed when Rubio got hurt. Houston and Phoenix both choked, and Portland was injury plagued.
 
l Abach l said:
Like I said before I don't want to be the devil's advocate, but I really don't think I'm underselling. Minny got screwed when Rubio got hurt. Houston and Phoenix both choked, and Portland was injury plagued.
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That is basketball. You have to actually win games and play through people getting hurt.
 
l Abach l said:
I'm not much of a poster on jazzfanz but do have strong opinions regarding the jazz organization, due to family who have worked in upper management within the organization.

That being said, does anyone else question the direction? Is it really a championship? Is the jazz team wanting to settle for a playoff showing just for the $$? (Huge revenues come just from making the playoffs as an eighth seed)

Without sounding like a pessamistic fan, when I look at our current roster, it screams mediocrity to me. Does anyone else feel this way?


Mo Williams - Average player now, once an allstar
Gordon Hayward - STREAKY, and inconsistent
Marvin Williams - Average at best.
Derrick Favors - Honestly, the ONLY player on the roster that I consider an above average playerAl Jefferson - Stat padder

Millsap - Many of you think he should start, but he is too undersized to be a starter on a championship team, let's face it. He's NOT good enough to start at the 3 either, he's not quick enough and can't shoot the 3.

Bench - average bench.

I'm not being a hater, I love the jazz. I have been a fan my whole life, through and through. I just question the current roster and hope they can land a franchise player. I still don't understand the direction of the roster... I hate settling for first/second round playoff exits. I want a ****ing championship!!
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I strongly disagree. I see your view of "The Four" (Favors, Kanter, Hayward and Burks) as extremely underrated. They will be much better than you are predicting.

I would like Millsap as the 6th man. I think it would lead to more recognition and money for him.
 
Stoked said:
I strongly disagree. I see your view of "The Four" (Favors, Kanter, Hayward and Burks) as extremely underrated. They will be much better than you are predicting.

I would like Millsap as the 6th man. I think it would lead to more recognition and money for him.
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This.

That is a GREAT young core. I'm not sure there's a team with a better young core in the league (no, I'm not counting OKC).
 
The FO has a great vision:

1) win a title. They don't have "that" player yet, but they might with Favors.

2) Be a playoff team and put yourself in a position to win if the chips fall your way (ie, a superstar gets hurt, a #1 seed gets bounced by an #8 seed). Which they have done. What is so great about this team is every single player is fighting for something:

Mo Williams - fighting for his next contract.
Tinsley/Watson - fighting for playing time.
Hayward/Burks/Williams/Carroll - fighting for playing time
Carroll - fighting for another NBA contract
Mar Williams - fighting for another contract
Al/Millsap - fighting for another contract
Favors/Kanter - fighting for playing time

If players have career years in the last year of their deals, then Millsap, Mo Williams, Williams, Carroll will be busting their butts off.

It's too bad Sloan isn't the coach over this bunch of guys. I don't see any premadonnas, and a lot of guys that want to look better than they are.
 
The rest of their vision: be long, athletic, and able to shoot from outside. They have definitely upgraded that so far this year.
 
I think you have a legitimate gripe. We dont seem to be agressive enough for my taste. Im championship or bust too, but a lot of our fan base is ok with our "brand" which is stay solid and have pride in just making the playoffs.

Id rather dwell in the lottery for years until we found a franchise guy, rather than just tread water.

Having said that, I remain hopeful about our young four. There is a good possibilty we have a very good future there. The rest of the guys, meh.

Favors- potential to be the best big in the game if he really worked at it.

Hayward- allstar potential. Thats not being too optimistic. Its really there. He does so many things well.

Burks- Could go either way, but his ceiling is just as high as anyones. He could turn out to be our best player. He has all the tools to do so. Question just is where he peaks, and will he be a team player.

Kanter- could be as good as Gasol. We just dont know yet.

Not knowing these things, and seeing so potential in all of them really makes all this exciting.

Right now KOC has done enough to keep us interesting. Its not like we have a bunch of guys that we know who they are. Lots of intrigue with our young guys.

I think we could step it up a little on whats going on with our bigs though.
 
BluesRocker said:
I think you have a legitimate gripe. We dont seem to be agressive enough for my taste. Im championship or bust too, but a lot of our fan base is ok with our "brand" which is stay solid and have pride in just making the playoffs.

Id rather dwell in the lottery for years until we found a franchise guy, rather than just tread water.

Having said that, I remain hopeful about our young four. There is a good possibilty we have a very good future there. The rest of the guys, meh.

Favors- potential to be the best big in the game if he really worked at it.

Hayward- allstar potential. Thats not being too optimistic. Its really there. He does so many things well.

Burks- Could go either way, but his ceiling is just as high as anyones. He could turn out to be our best player. He has all the tools to do so. Question just is where he peaks, and will he be a team player.

Kanter- could be as good as Gasol. We just dont know yet.

Not knowing these things, and seeing so potential in all of them really makes all this exciting.

Right now KOC has done enough to keep us interesting. Its not like we have a bunch of guys that we know who they are. Lots of intrigue with our young guys.

I think we could step it up a little on whats going on with our bigs though.
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I agree with you 100% regarding our bigs. Millsap is not the answer as a starter. I know he has a lot of fanboys on here, but he has no business being in the starting lineup anymore.
 
I believe in the direction KOC is taking this team. If KOC was GM in LA, Miami, NY, etc. I'm sure he'd have a much easier job of landing the Lebron's of the world and appeasing a fanbase who want's to see their team headed in the "right direction".

The GM in OKC has done an amazing job, but some of it has been luck. Having the #2 pick in the year that Durrant comes out and having the Blazers pick Greg Oden ahead of him are just a couple of examples of OKC being in the right place at the right time. If you're Utah, and a Kevin Durrant doesn't fall into your lap, you have to go about building your contender a different way. I've said it before and I strongly believe it: If you see ever see Utah win an NBA titile, it will be done so in the mold of the Rip Hamilton era Detroit Pistons. In that regard, I think KOC is doing an amazing job of filling out this roster while keeping future assets in play.
 
l Abach l said:
I agree with you 100% regarding our bigs. Millsap is not the answer as a starter. I know he has a lot of fanboys on here, but he has no business being in the starting lineup anymore.
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I disagree. I want him as the 6th man personally but there are many bigs agains twho Millsap is a stud. he out played Love, Griffin, Bosh...last year. Now there are some agains twho he has trouble such as Aldredge and Gasol. But Millsap is a stud and very capable of starting.
 
Stoked said:
I disagree. I want him as the 6th man personally but there are many bigs agains twho Millsap is a stud. he out played Love, Griffin, Bosh...last year. Now there are some agains twho he has trouble such as Aldredge and Gasol. But Millsap is a stud and very capable of starting.
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He was also punked by boris Diaw, matt boner, novak, scola, monroe, and David Lee. He needs to be the 6th man. I will be very upset if he starts agian.
 
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