A story about prayer

[Darkwing Duck]

how/why you would take the time to tear down someone else because of their religion.

This is where I think the biggest problem lies. The point is never to tear down someone else. The point is that one can't truly justify a position solely on the intangible platform of faith. I can't use my irrationalities (which tend to parallel old Native American irrationalities) to claim stakes on something. I can't honestly state that the essence/spirit of my pillow lets me sleep at night without rightly being questioned on it.

 

[Zombie]

Um, ya? Just because Wanda Sykes told me not to doesn't change the fact that in my neighborhood, schools, and every day life that using the term "Gay" is acceptable. It's not used in a derogatory fashion, so eat a fat one. I only brought up my gay friends because one lives in Cali, the other in LA, one in NB, and the other right here in the SLC.



At first I was like, "Girl, please. I don't have a superiority complex." Then I read PKM's post...



Fine, life is hard at the top. Guilty.

Methinks the only reason you brought up your gay friends is to say that you have some. Kind of like, I'm not racist, I have a black friend see! I only use the N word in a nonderogatory fashion! (when they're not around)

/Not serious

 

[TroutBum]

It's funny because, unlike most people, I fully support that. If you believe something is right and good, how can you just keep it to yourself? Back in the day, I used to invite missionaries in and have little debates. But since now they're just children while I'm all grown up, I just express my lack of interest politely and shut the door.

I feel bad for the poor Bass turds (that's fish pooh, nazi mods), so I always invite them in for a cold Dew or some food. They are not allowed to talk religion, or I show them the door. If we establish this in the first 5 seconds, the rest of the visit is great.

 

[Dr. Jones]

Must say I'm disappointed that this topic has deteriorated into snide snippets and one-liners, for the most part. I believe we can all co-exist and be respectful of one another .. LDS, evangelicals, muslims, non-believers, etc .. I enjoyed the exchange throughout the day. Good night, God bless .. or whatever you prefer to hear that leads to a good night's rest.

 

[Zombie]

It's funny because, unlike most people, I fully support that. If you believe something is right and good, how can you just keep it to yourself? Back in the day, I used to invite missionaries in and have little debates. But since now they're just children while I'm all grown up, I just express my lack of interest politely and shut the door.

Me too actually. Just a few years ago I made really good friends with some missionaries who would come over and have pizza and debate once a week. I have no problem with missionaries of any kind. I just think its funny that talking about ones beliefs only seems to be a problem with some people when the beliefs run counter to their own.

 

[Fishsticks]

OhhhI bet this thread has just been a treat.

 

[colton]

Perhaps I should have been more clear and said talking honestly about their religions (relatively recent) history. But you know the fact is that was preached from the pulpit by an LDS prophet.

What you quoted was not preached from the pulpit by an LDS prophet. It was written for a Wikipedia article, summarizing SOME people's opinions of what was taught. But not the LDS church's. By contrast I suspect the typical LDS view (among those who even know what you're talking about; most probably do not) is given later in the article given by Pres. Kimball, "[Pres. Kimball] said that he did not say that President Brigham Young did not make the statements which are attributed to him, nor did he claim that they were falsely reported. Neither did he say that Brigham Young taught false doctrine. What he did say and what he meant is that the Adam–God theory is false, and the Adam–God theory is that interpretation which is placed on Brigham Young's words by present day apostates and fundamentalists—their understanding of what Brigham Young meant is false."

If you want to have a serious discussion about the Adam-God theory, then read the original sermons by Young as I have. Then you can read the analysis of them that I wrote several years ago, here. https://www.physics.byu.edu/faculty/colton/personal/lds/adamisgod.htm (I've actually included many paragraphs of the original sermons in case you don't have a source for them.) Then we can talk.

But doing a "drive by posting" of a Wikipedia article implying that that's what LDS people believe (especially when you even admit that you know we don't believe it!) is just lame. Hence the neg rep.

Sure, that no longer is generally believed by mormons nowadays, I know because I used to be one, but that just illustrates how silly the whole thing is! I mean, if Archie wants to use words written thousands of years ago to prove something about prayer, why can't I use words spoken merely a hundred and fifty years ago to do the same thing?

I don't follow the logic.

 

[Saltair's Finest]

Must say I'm disappointed that this topic has deteriorated into snide snippets and one-liners, for the most part. I believe we can all co-exist and be respectful of one another .. LDS, evangelicals, muslims, non-believers, etc .. I enjoyed the exchange throughout the day. Good night, God bless .. or whatever you prefer to hear that leads to a good night's rest.

do u have a coexist bumper sticker?

 

[Fishsticks]

Jelly?

 

[Dr. Jones]

I looked at the front page and saw Verlin has posted in this thread. I was like, "oh gawd ."

Welcome V, you're always a sight.

 

[Dr. Jones]

do u have a coexist bumper sticker?

Funny, but I was sincere. Perhaps once you've got more than 18 years old behind you, experienced more hurt, have a better understanding of mortality, you'll better get what I'm feeling. Either way, no, I don't own a bumper sticker.

 

[PearlWatson]

I personally don't understand the incredible efforts spent on trivial battles, like those memorial highway crosses.

The efforts by crossophobes to get them removed.