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Despite our apparent upgrades, I question how successful we'll be on cuts and screens simply because we have many mediocre passers, at least statistically...Favors, Kanter, Marvin Williams, Jefferson, Burks...it's a sad state when the leading assists man of those five gets you about 2.3 a game...

The Spurs are so effective because of their basketball iq's and their dedication to a team concept. I'm not saying our guys don't care about the team or are dumb but their histories surely don't scream out otherwise.
 
Wes Mantooth said:
I'm not really sure...I don't really know enough about basketball and playcalling to know how that works...my uneducated perception is that our three point shooting would simply improve, not with more play-calling, but with better, crisper, sharper, quicker passing out of the double teams and the help, closing defender on the perimeter. When I watch the Spurs, I see quick, sharp passes. In a matter of three seconds, four or five guys touch the ball in a seamless motion of beauty and art.
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One thing to remember is how long San Antonio's core has played together. I know how you feel about Jefferson not improving his passing, but I don't see how he doesn't as this team seasons together. The jazz had horrible spacing and couldn't time a play to save their asses last year. It's amazing they scored as well as they did. Give them time and security and we'll see them moving in SAS direction.
 
We should be a top 3-5 team in rebounding differential imo...our offensive efficiency should also be top 10 or so since we're loaded in the frontcourt and have a bunch of guys who should improve like Hayward....Add in improved three point shooting (I'd like top 17 or 18) and an improved defense simply by putting Favors out on the court for presumably 6-10 more minutes a game, and we should or could be a very solid team with no glaring flaw other than perhaps an athletic playmaking wing who gets major minutes. I doubt Burks is that guy. Yet anyway.
 
Wes Mantooth said:
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Despite our apparent upgrades, I question how successful we'll be on cuts and screens simply because we have many mediocre passers, at least statistically...Favors, Kanter, Marvin Williams, Jefferson, Burks...it's a sad state when the leading assists man of those five gets you about 2.3 a game...

The Spurs are so effective because of their basketball iq's and their dedication to a team concept. I'm not saying our guys don't care about the team or are dumb but their histories surely don't scream out otherwise.
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The good news is that three of those guys are still very young, and that one of them (Burks) has shown the ability to make some nice passes. The ok news is that Big Al has ever-so-slowly started sharing the ball more. As for Marvin, maybe he'll be like Big Al and at least show some improvement in this area with the Jazz.
 
Wes Mantooth said:
We should be a top 3-5 team in rebounding differential imo...our offensive efficiency should also be top 10 or so since we're loaded in the frontcourt and have a bunch of guys who should improve like Hayward....Add in improved three point shooting (I'd like top 17 or 18) and an improved defense simply by putting Favors out on the court for presumably 6-10 more minutes a game, and we should or could be a very solid team with no glaring flaw other than perhaps an athletic playmaking wing who gets major minutes. I doubt Burks is that guy. Yet anyway.
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Who could be that player, realistically that is?
 
No one. We don't have a guy like that other than Burks...or Hayward to a lesser degree if he continues to learn how to maximize his God-given physical abilities, angles, game tape available to him, and the in-game situations that present themselves.
 
Wes Mantooth said:
No one. We don't have a guy like that other than Burks...or Hayward to a lesser degree if he continue to learns how to maximize his God-given physical abilities, angles, game tape available to him, and the in-game situations that present themselves.
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It sounds like you should call him up and offer to be his life coach with an emphasis in basketball.
 
I think Utah's three point shooting will be at LEAST 8-10% better this upcoming season, considering they got rid of Chuck Miles and J-Ho. With the strong frontline the Jazz have, there's no reason the Jazz shouldn't get plenty of open looks. Mo Williams is a bigger addition than a lot of people realize. Marvin is an unknown at this point, for me, because I've never paid any attention to him. I expect Burks and Hayward to shoot with more consistency and at a higher volume next season.
 
I guess we'll have to wait and see. I remember thinking Fisher would be an upgrade to our shooting when he came here, seemed like he was a knock down shooter before he came to the Jazz. Shot about 40% the year before he got here from 3. Then he shot about 30% while he was here. Next year he was in LA and back to shooting 40% again.

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What the hell was the reason for that? Jazz offense? Or did he just suck while here, a statistical blip?

I dont' know, but, I sure wouldnt' count on the new arrivials shooting the same % here as they did in their old home. They might pull a 'Fisher' on us.
 
jazzfan1971 said:
I guess we'll have to wait and see. I remember thinking Fisher would be an upgrade to our shooting when he came here, seemed like he was a knock down shooter before he came to the Jazz. Shot about 40% the year before he got here from 3. Then he shot about 30% while he was here. Next year he was in LA and back to shooting 40% again.

So...

What the hell was the reason for that? Jazz offense? Or did he just suck while here, a statistical blip?

I dont' know, but, I sure wouldnt' count on the new arrivials shooting the same % here as they did in their old home. They might pull a 'Fisher' on us.
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Fisher's career FG% is only 40%. I guess you could call his season here a tiny bit of a blip, but that's about it. I think we just remember all of his dagger 3's and tell ourselves he's a better shooter than he really is. I was a bit surprised that his career % is that low.
 
jazzfan1971 said:
I guess we'll have to wait and see. I remember thinking Fisher would be an upgrade to our shooting when he came here, seemed like he was a knock down shooter before he came to the Jazz. Shot about 40% the year before he got here from 3. Then he shot about 30% while he was here. Next year he was in LA and back to shooting 40% again.

So...

What the hell was the reason for that? Jazz offense? Or did he just suck while here, a statistical blip?

I dont' know, but, I sure wouldnt' count on the new arrivials shooting the same % here as they did in their old home. They might pull a 'Fisher' on us.
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Who knows. If you look at Fisher year-by-year, he had two other 30%-type seasons from three mixed into a bunch of 38-40% ones with the Lakers before he ever he came to us.
 
The reason for Fisher's increased percentage is Kobe, who gets double and triple-teamed, leaving Fish wide open at the 3-point line.
 
Wes Mantooth said:
So then explain the two season when Fish shot 29% and 31% with the Lakers from beyond the arc.
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There's not much explaining to do. Overall, Fisher hasn't been a great shooter over the course of his career. He's made some huge baskets, but 40% for his career isn't that good.

EDIT: And he's had several blip seasons as far as 3PFG% goes.
 
nightmare3983 said:
There's not much explaining to do. Overall, Fisher hasn't been a great shooter over the course of his career. He's made some huge baskets, but 40% for his career isn't that good.

EDIT: And he's had several blip seasons as far as 3PFG% goes.
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really?
 
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