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Jazz 3 point shooting

franklin said:
About .005%.

Do you realize how easy it is to run defensive schemes against teams with horrid outside shooting? Popavich did. (oh wait, that was all on Jefferson triple teams and had nothing to do with the best coach ever)

NBA teams simply aren't close to last in every three point category due to coaching incompetence.
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I tend to dis agree.
spurs are great 3 point shooters because the guys get a wide open shot, feet set.

meanwhile jazz get rushed 3 point shots outside of the offense with the clock winding down
 
Wes Mantooth said:
So then explain the two season when Fish shot 29% and 31% with the Lakers from beyond the arc.
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Fisher also had to deal with playing starting SG on the Jazz which he didnt have to do much with the Fakers. That left him tired by the end of the day guarding players who were shooting over him all night long. But even otherwise he has been a streaky shooter and not a dead eye shooter or anything
 
green said:
Sloan had no problem with the three point shot. Look at when the Jazz made their finals runs. He had a lot of outside shooters (Hornacek, Russell, Stockton, etc). The Jazz shot 37% from three in their two finals runs, and took 902 three point attempts in 1996-1997.

Sloan's big this is/was, why take a three, is you can set a screen, make a cut and get a layup, and don't take a three if you can't hit it (remember all those "making guard" comments. He never said he didn't like three's, he just said he didn't like taking threes if you can't consistently make them).

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It is funny how even after all these years some people act as if Sloan was completely averse to the 3 and discouraged it.

Whereas the fact was that KOC did a terrible job getting good outside shooters who could also do other things that would help them stay on the floor. Girisuck, for example. Korver was marginally better and he also ended up setting a NBA high on 3-pt FG% under Sloan

The term "shooting" guard has been a misnomer for all the losers the Jazz have had at that position in the last decade ever since Hornacek left.

John Starks
Quincy Lewis
Deshawn
Eisley
Ronnie Brewer
Devin Brown
Raja Bell-part 2
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I feel depressed just typing the above names.

And KOC thinks letting go of Mo was his obvious mistake in all these years.
 
PKM said:
I wasn't suggesting coaching incompetence. Some coaches embrace the 3pt shot more than others. My question, as stated, was do you think the Jazz/Ty would get behind the 3pt shot .. I ask because Sloan didn't seem too willing. Innocent question.
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I wouldn't say Sloan was unwilling to push the 3 point shot. Many interviews he says the 3 point shot should come with the flow of the game. The late 90's team did well with the 3 point shot. (Hornacek, Russel, and stockton)
 
NUMBERICA said:
No way, dude. Sloan didn't like it, so it's bad. Forget that (much) better coaches make it a tenet of their offenses, it's just 2 bad ok sry
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Russell used to take regular corner threes in th elate 90s. Why do you think sloan didn't like the shot?
 
green said:
Sloan had no problem with the three point shot. Look at when the Jazz made their finals runs. He had a lot of outside shooters (Hornacek, Russell, Stockton, etc). The Jazz shot 37% from three in their two finals runs, and took 902 three point attempts in 1996-1997.

Sloan's big this is/was, why take a three, is you can set a screen, make a cut and get a layup, and don't take a three if you can't hit it (remember all those "making guard" comments. He never said he didn't like three's, he just said he didn't like taking threes if you can't consistently make them).

We will never be a good three point % team until Al learns to pass out of the block, or he is traded.
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You say 902 in 1997 like it wasn't 29th in the league in attempts. Saying Sloan did not dislike the 3 point shot isn't consistent with his entire transition defense theory or what his teams actually did on the floor. He had some of the best 3 point shooting teams perpetually taking league worst attempts per game. In 1997, Anderson shot 51.1%, Hornacek 36.9%, Stockton 42.2%, and Russell 40.9%, yet the team shot less than 10 attempts per game.

Sloan didn't prefer 3 point shots because it leaves teams more vulnerabile on the other end of the floor. His offense was designed not only to get great looks but also to inhibit transition offense by the opponent. You can get back quicker off a layup than you can a long 3 point rebound, unless you want to drop to worst in the league in offensive boards. Sloan allowed more attempts in the post-S&M era because the teams couldn't squeeze enough efficiency from his system.
 
Good post fanklin.... repped.

I saw quite a few posts in a row saying that sloan was just fine with the 3 point shot and how we had horny, russ, stockton who all shot the 3 well.

Good job showing how wrong those posts were by saying how 902 attempts was 29th in the league.
 
franklin said:
You say 902 in 1997 like it wasn't 29th in the league in attempts. Saying Sloan did not dislike the 3 point shot isn't consistent with his entire transition defense theory or what his teams actually did on the floor. He had some of the best 3 point shooting teams perpetually taking league worst attempts per game. In 1997, Anderson shot 51.1%, Hornacek 36.9%, Stockton 42.2%, and Russell 40.9%, yet the team shot less than 10 attempts per game.

Sloan didn't prefer 3 point shots because it leaves teams more vulnerabile on the other end of the floor. His offense was designed not only to get great looks but also to inhibit transition offense by the opponent. You can get back quicker off a layup than you can a long 3 point rebound, unless you want to drop to worst in the league in offensive boards. Sloan allowed more attempts in the post-S&M era because the teams couldn't squeeze enough efficiency from his system.
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Yeah, I said the same thing in my post.
 
green said:
Yeah, I said the same thing in my post.
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Only difference was that in your post it looked as if you were saying that the jazz taking 902 3 point attempts was proof that sloan like the 3 point shot, when in fact 902 was actually a very low amount of 3 pointers taken which help the case of sloan being against the 3 point shot.
 
franklin said:
You say 902 in 1997 like it wasn't 29th in the league in attempts. Saying Sloan did not dislike the 3 point shot isn't consistent with his entire transition defense theory or what his teams actually did on the floor. He had some of the best 3 point shooting teams perpetually taking league worst attempts per game. In 1997, Anderson shot 51.1%, Hornacek 36.9%, Stockton 42.2%, and Russell 40.9%, yet the team shot less than 10 attempts per game.

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Maybe because he had arguably the best power forward ever bullying the post? The Jazz offense used to be very efficient at that time, ranking at or near the top. No need for them to play like the Sonics of those times. But after the rules changed, when they really needed consistent outside shooters to create space inside, they didn't get them.
 
fishonjazz said:
Only difference was that in your post it looked as if you were saying that the jazz taking 902 3 point attempts was proof that sloan like the 3 point shot, when in fact 902 was actually a very low amount of 3 pointers taken which help the case of sloan being against the 3 point shot.
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Fair enough. My point was that Sloan didn't not like the 3pt shot, his offense was just better.
 
green said:
Yeah, I said the same thing in my post.
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You were my muse, your post my Mona Lisa.

vj_74 said:
Maybe because he had arguably the best power forward ever bullying the post? The Jazz offense used to be very efficient at that time, ranking at or near the top. No need for them to play like the Sonics of those times. But after the rules changed, when they really needed consistent outside shooters to create space inside, they didn't get them.
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Good point. I always thought Sloan failed to keep up when zones were allowed again. I don't really know much there though, just an SOPM reading.
 
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