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"In retrospect, King won the Williams' trade in a landslide."

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Jeffrey32

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Interesting article on Nets' GM Billy King... I am not sure I agree with the author, but given that the Nets' were able to keep Deron Williams and then surround him with a pretty decent starting unit, who won the trade. Personally, I think it is still too early and this season will determine a lot. While the Nets have potential to be championship contenders in the East for the next 2-3 seasons, I think Utah is in better position to be a mediocre playoff team now but competing for a title in 3 seasons. Jazz in 2016!!!

https://basketball.realgm.com/blog/222406/The_Risk_Filled_Tenure_Of_Billy_King

On Februrary 23, 2011, King traded Devin Harris, Derrick Favors, two first-round picks, and cash to the Utah Jazz for Williams.

It appeared King paid a premium price for Williams, who had just recently experienced a dispute with Jerry Sloan that led to his resignation after 23 seasons as head coach of the Jazz.

Upon making the deal, King had no commitment Williams would re-sign when his contract expired.

Harris was two years removed from an All-Star selection, Favors had arguably the most potential of the 2010 NBA Draft class, and the two first-round picks held great value because the Nets had little remaining talent on the roster besides Williams.

One of the two first-round picks became the third overall pick in the 2011 NBA Draft, Enes Kanter. During his rookie season Kanter played sparingly behind Al Jefferson and Paul Millsap and the jury is out on his NBA future.

The second of the two first-round picks in the Williams' trade has yet to materialize. That’s because there was a lottery stipulation (Top-7 in 2012 and 2013 protection) in a previous deal between the Nets and the Golden State Warriors involving Marcus Williams.

In retrospect, King won the Williams' trade in a landslide.

Williams re-signed and is one of the top point guards in the NBA.

Meanwhile in Utah, Harris wrapped up his worst statistical season in nine years and was traded to the Hawks for Marvin Williams. Favors and Kanter both have unquestioned potential to become solid NBA bigs, but remaining behind Al Jefferson and Paul Millsap on the depth chart has surely stunted their development.
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We won because I still feel like there was only a very very very slim chance of DWill resigning with Utah. They won because they took a chance and it paid off, how well it paid off is yet to be seen. Everyones a winner! Yay !!!!!!!!
 
kennykyle said:
We won because I still feel like there was only a very very very slim chance of DWill resigning with Utah. They won because they took a chance and it paid off, how well it paid off is yet to be seen. Everyones a winner! Yay !!!!!!!!
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This is kind of what I am thinking. Nets got what they wanted so they win. Utah gave themselves a future so they win. I do not see any losers in that deal.
 
Well, they did have to give big contracts to Lopez, Hump, and Wallace and trade for the worst contract in the league to keep Deron. So, they gave up more than what was listed.

It'll be interesting to see if they've assembled enough talent to get out of the 2nd round or not.
 
The Nets won becuase they will soon have a nearly $100 million payroll. Yea, they are the winners.














Wait another 5 or 6 years. If the Jazz are able to get to the Finals or win the whole thing with Kanter, Favors and Burks (because the Jazz would not have landed him if DWill was still playing) as the primary players then the Jazz win. Of course, if NJ is able to get to the same spot then it is a tie again.
 
If the Nets succeed in bringing in Dwight Howard to team with DWill, then I'd say they won the trade. Until then, they're a capped-out, lux-tax paying team that's going to go out in the 1st or 2nd round of the playoffs. In other words, they'll plateau where the Jazz did before we traded DWill. The Jazz needed to rebuild if they wanted to go deeper in the playoffs. The Jazz basically did 75% of that rebuild with the Nets trade alone. So I don't think you can say the Jazz lost that trade, whether or not DWill was going to re-sign in Utah. Honestly, I don't think the front office wanted to keep DWill and his attitude at max money.
 
Honestly, Humphries/Lopez is one of the worst frontcourt duos in the NBA.

I mean, our team is just as bad on defense, but at least our guys rebounds.
 
Even if the Nets sign Howard and end up the NBA champions for the next decade, I don't think the Jazz lost much in the trade. There is no way to know whether Williams would have signed with the Jazz (I personally think he would have). But the Jazz would have had a hard time adding other valuable pieces without decent lottery picks, specially with a PG making the max.

The Jazz got a potentially elite big man and the pieces required to build a contender. They made the correct move regardless of how it turns out for the Nets.
 
If the Jazz had a different coach, this would be a much different discussion.

Favors - 21 mpg...
 
If the Nets were winners, then they would have improved last season (which they didn't), and we would have been worse (we were better). *drops mic and walks away*
 
Xsy said:
Honestly, Humphries/Lopez is one of the worst frontcourt duos in the NBA.

I mean, our team is just as bad on defense, but at least our guys rebounds.
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Humphries has been a very good rebounder the last few years. Lopez, not so much.
 
Catchall said:
If the Nets succeed in bringing in Dwight Howard to team with DWill, then I'd say they won the trade. Until then, they're a capped-out, lux-tax paying team that's going to go out in the 1st or 2nd round of the playoffs. In other words, they'll plateau where the Jazz did before we traded DWill. The Jazz needed to rebuild if they wanted to go deeper in the playoffs. The Jazz basically did 75% of that rebuild with the Nets trade alone. So I don't think you can say the Jazz lost that trade, whether or not DWill was going to re-sign in Utah. Honestly, I don't think the front office wanted to keep DWill and his attitude at max money.
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I agree. I wouldn't consider giving Wallace a 4/$40M deal, taking on the bloated contract of Johnson and extending Lopez at the MAX a "landslide win."

On the other hand, the Jazz received Favors, Kanter and a likely late-lottery pick from GS. We also have parlayed Harris into Marvin Williams. Let's see what Deron's production will be relative to Derrick, Enes and Marvin.

They are a capped-out team. I don't see them ever competing for a title with their line-up. Yes, the Jazz are rebuilding. In much the same way the Melo trade worked out for Denver, the Deron trade is working for Utah. Trading a superstar and strengthening 2-3 other positions may result in a stronger team. We got fewer NBA-ready assets than Denver did. But on the other hands, we got assets that had better potential upside.

Also have to figure in the result of having Kanter and Enes on rookie contracts, with Marvin at $8M vs. a MAX deal for Deron. That allows KOC to pick up another starter or 6th man at $8-$10M. So basically 4 players for the price of one PG. Deron is a talented player, but there was no way we could have built a "Big-3" model around him in Utah, especailly considering the Big-3 model only works if you can get several solid vets to sign for the minimun for a chance to win a title.
 
All Billy King did was overpay some fringe All Star players and ridiculously overpay D Will.
But it doesn't matter, because the rich Russian guy has big pockets. So much for the new CBA.
 
Weezur said:
All Billy King did was overpay some fringe All Star players and ridiculously overpay D Will.
But it doesn't matter, because the rich Russian guy has big pockets. So much for the new CBA.
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But if the Nets end up in the luxury tax, Prokhorov will have to pay a penalty. Take it out of his deep Russian pockets and into the hands of American owners. It would decrease the trade deficit and improve the economy. Win for all of us!
 
Someone may have already noted this, but this is the wrong way to think about this trade. If the Jazz had not traded D-Will, the most likely outcome would have been losing him to free agency without anything in return. Not the certain outcome, but the most likely one. Thus, getting Harris (who was flipped for M. Williams), Favors, and Kanter instead of getting a big fat nothing is a pretty damned good trade from the Jazz perspective, regardless of how well NJ fared in the deal.

Somebody needs to tutor this guy on the concept of 'opportunity cost.'
 
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