C l u t c H 385
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I just liked the shooting and fighting.
You guys are all ****.
You guys are all ****.
The End of INCEPTION *spoilers*
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I don't believe he had been running for more than a year
Sloanfield
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well it doesnt matter about the top spinning or not because it wasnt cobbs totem, it was mol's
DutchJazzer
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ooh really?
2 actors played each of the children.
so that there was an age difference.
maybe you jsut didnt notice
Sloanfield
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oh i guess im wrong about that then
anyway i dont treally think he was dreamin im jus trollin
Gyp Rosetti
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So you're admitting a warning or infraction should be coming?
Gyp Rosetti
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Saw it again today. Liked the movie more the second time.
A comment which I see as fundamental, logistical flaw if I'm understanding everything correctly. This bothers me a little.
In the final, hour long "triple dream," the truck hitting the water is their kick to come back to their conscious state. Reality. In the movie, once it hits, they wake up and swim to shore. Leo and Watanabe do not because they're now in the 4th dream. That said, once it did hit the water and the others woke up in their conscious state on the plane, how does Cillian Murphy not say, "Hey, what the **** are these wires attached to me?" Or "hey, what the **** are these wires attached to Watanabe and DiCaprio" who would not have woken up at the same instance the others did but maybe a little later. If I remember correctly, every dream "workshop" they ran through shows them waking up via their kick (or getting killed in the dream) with the wires still attached to them. No? Yes, the compound/drug is what puts them under, but those wires are then attached.
A comment which I see as fundamental, logistical flaw if I'm understanding everything correctly. This bothers me a little.
In the final, hour long "triple dream," the truck hitting the water is their kick to come back to their conscious state. Reality. In the movie, once it hits, they wake up and swim to shore. Leo and Watanabe do not because they're now in the 4th dream. That said, once it did hit the water and the others woke up in their conscious state on the plane, how does Cillian Murphy not say, "Hey, what the **** are these wires attached to me?" Or "hey, what the **** are these wires attached to Watanabe and DiCaprio" who would not have woken up at the same instance the others did but maybe a little later. If I remember correctly, every dream "workshop" they ran through shows them waking up via their kick (or getting killed in the dream) with the wires still attached to them. No? Yes, the compound/drug is what puts them under, but those wires are then attached.
JJ Rage
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The truck hitting the water is not their kick to wake up on the plane, it's their kick to wake up from the hotel. Each kick is designed to wake them up in that specific dream state. Essentially, they had to wake up in each dream level before they could wake up in the one before it. Being dropped in the van isn't supposed to wake them up on the plane. The shared dreaming device on the plane was set on a timer. But once the device is removed/turned off, the subject can still remain asleep. If you remember when they had Saito connected to it on the train, they removed the wires and got off the train, but Saito remained sleeping.
So why didn't Fischer complain about the wires? Because they'd likely already been removed. As far as Fischer not noticing any wires on Saito and Cobb, if I recall, they explained that limbo was essentially a permanent dream state, and being trapped there wasn't really affected by the shared dreaming device.
One set of actors played his children in the backyard - shown throughout the film as well as the final scene. The other set of actors were his children during the scene on the beach when he got out of the elevator. From what I remember.
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The movie is great because so many different thoeries can work - it's really open to personal interpretation. It's true art. Here is an interesting take: https://www.chud.com/articles/articles/24477/1/NEVER-WAKE-UP-THE-MEANING-AND-SECRET-OF-INCEPTION/Page1.html
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Gyp Rosetti
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I'm going to see it a third time today because my father wants to see it. That said, I think you're flat out wrong with your first statement. The first dream was the "rain sequence" and once the van crashes into the water (the kick), they wake up to reality in their conscious state on the plane. This I'm pretty certain about.
Regarding the timer, I'll have to pay closer attention and see if you're right since this is really the most crucial piece of info.
JJ Rage
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With the timer, I'm not certain if it's an automated thing or not, but remember on both the plane and the train, there was someone who never went into the dream world monitoring the dreamers and the sharing device - the flight attendant and the teenage boy on the train. So they didn't need a kick to wake up in the "real world" because they had these handlers there to wake them up/monitor how much time they had left. HOWEVER, I know for a fact that there was a timer during their tests when Ariadne was first learning the ropes. In fact, this is when they first explain the relation between dream time and real time. Arthur says "5 more minutes", Ariadne responds by saying something to the effect of "5 minutes? We were in there for at least an hour!" This is when Cobb and Arthur explain that "5 minutes of real time is an hour in a dream". When Cobb and Ariadne go back in, an Ariadne's meddling causes Mal to appear and stab her in the dream, she yells at Arthur, asking why he didn't wake her up. His response is "there was still time left".
In terms of the kicks, recall the opening dream sequence. Cobb had to be dunked in the tub to woken from the dream he was in, but he didn't wake up on the train when he hit the water, he woke up in the apartment. You wake up in the same level that the kick is performed. If what you're saying (or what I think you're saying) is correct, then the tub kick from the beginning of the film would've caused Cobb to wake up on the train, not in the apartment. The elevator drop woke them up in the elevator, the van kick woke them up in the van, and then the timer/handler is what wakes them up in the real world.
So once the van hits the water, they wake up in the van. At that point, they're free to swim to shore or whatever in that dream until the timer goes off/handler wakes them up in the real world.
...I think.
I'm definitely going to see it a third time as well very shortly, because I'm starting to confuse myself.