Fishsticks
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Blah blah blah. We get it. You think Jefferson is suxxxors.
Offseason Random Twitter Comments about Jazz Players
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green
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Rumors were that the Jazz would have traded Millsap for Lilliard had he fallen to 8.
So stats that support your theory are correct and dont have any other reason, stats that dont support your theory are flawed for various reasons?
Jefferson does not turn the ball over that much, that is a positive. Yes what you said is correct but does no negate the fact he has decent assist numbers for a center and handles the ball the most on the team with out turning it over.
Just because Milsap and Favors have higher PPA does not mean that PPA would stay the same with more attempts. I am positive Milsaps PPA would not hold nearly the same if he is the number 1 option on your offense, especially long term.
Besides our biggest flaw on offense last season was 3 point shooting. Our biggest flaw and Jeffersons biggest flaw is defense. Defense is what you should hammer on Jefferson for. Jeffersons offense is pretty solid. If he was the same caliber on defense as he was on offense he would be a top player in this league.
theNBAnerd
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oh trust me, i hammer him for defense too. i just think it's important for people to realize that al, albeit a potent individual offense threat, does NOT make the team's offense run better.
and i'm not saying the stat is flawed... i'm just saying look at it in context. it's kind of like saying, "hey everybody, jeremy evans missed fewer field goal attempts than anybody else on the team!"
and i'm not saying the stat is flawed... i'm just saying look at it in context. it's kind of like saying, "hey everybody, jeremy evans missed fewer field goal attempts than anybody else on the team!"
NAOS
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Since we are getting hung up on stats, do you all realize that the folks who are really interested in NBA stats that demonstrate how winning happens are trying to deconstruct the category of "assist" into several subcategories so that they can emphasize those assists that highlight offensive efficiency and BBIQ? We all know that all passes aren't created equal, right?
Lauding Jefferson (or any post player) for his willingness to throw it back out to the perimeter when double teamed is like lauding a five year old for not pooping his pants.
Lauding Jefferson (or any post player) for his willingness to throw it back out to the perimeter when double teamed is like lauding a five year old for not pooping his pants.
Some 5 year olds need that...
orangello
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And so does Jefferson.
That was the point I was making...
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JAZZGASM
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Jefferson has the capability be one of the best PF/Cs in the league. He has an ability to draw a double or even triple team that Sap does not possess. Which makes the fact that he doesn't have more assists look even worse in my mind. There is no reason he can't find the open cutter/shooter, but most of the time he doesn't even try.
I don't understand how he doesn't get the concept that if he passes out of the double teams and punishes the other team for doubling him (by hitting the open player for easy points) the other teams will be forced to guard him one on one, where he can generally score at will. It seems like such an easy concept that many great players have understood. Malone's passing ability was one of the reasons he was so good. Hell, even Shaq, the most dominant center ever knew to pass out of double/triple coverage.
I don't understand how he doesn't get the concept that if he passes out of the double teams and punishes the other team for doubling him (by hitting the open player for easy points) the other teams will be forced to guard him one on one, where he can generally score at will. It seems like such an easy concept that many great players have understood. Malone's passing ability was one of the reasons he was so good. Hell, even Shaq, the most dominant center ever knew to pass out of double/triple coverage.
I think he gets the concept just fine. Then when you are in the moment and your whole life you have been the man and not in a system with those shooters you default to being "the man". It is so ingrained in him now that he has to fight that tendancy. He has gotten better but not even close to what I'd like him to be.
theNBAnerd
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teams double/triple paul, too, just not as much. and part of the reason they pressure al more is because every scouting report in the NBA says he does not respond well to that kind of pressure. "commands a double team" isn't always a compliment; sometimes it's just code for "invites a double team by continually making bad decisions when trapped."
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JAZZGASM
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When does Paul get doubled and tripled? It very rare.
Al's scoring ability in the post is a much larger threat on offense than Sap's. Sap may get doubled on a drive or something, but Sap doesn't get double teams nearly as often. And yes, part of the reason Al gets double is he doesn't pass out. Which is my point. It is disgusting that he doesn't pass out. How much better would he and the Jazz be if teams were punished for doubling him?
Al's footwork on the post is amazing, he can score (even over double teams) in the post very well. In single coverage he is tough to stop. So yes, part of the reason he is doubled is b/c he doesn't pass, but another big part of it is he is a very good post player. But even if he was a good passer, I still think teams would bring double teams at him to try and slow him down.