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PearlWatson

PearlWatson

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We are finally talking about the need for reform with the Ryan pick.

Medicare is the biggest part of government spending and it is only getting bigger with baby boomers retiring.

Obama cut 700 billion from Medicare and put it towards Obamacare. He is only adding to the problem.

Obama=Nero with a gas can.
 
One option to help solve the problem is to add a monthly premium to Part A.
 
Paul Ryan is just another politician.
Promises he'll make changes, won't be powerful enough to make those changes.
 
Weezur said:
Paul Ryan is just another politician.
Promises he'll make changes, won't be powerful enough to make those changes.
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The problem is getting enough people with that desire and ideas in at once. One man is never enough to really change Washington. Washington is set up that way. YOu need to vote in many epople with like minds and a desire to get things done. When it starts topping 150+ of people feeling that way then changes will start being legitimately discussed.

Until then they will continue to fall one by one.
 
I really hope some of these responses are sarcastic. We can't seriously look at someone's "productivity" in society as the amount of money they make, or how much their medical bills cost. However, I am going to assume that the irony being used is in the line of Swift's "A Modest Proposal" until informed otherwise.
 
If nothing else, Paul Ryan would means test and take the subsidy away from the affluent, but for some reason, democrats have stonewalled the idea. It's perfect opportunity to effectively raise taxes on rich people and they're blocking it why?

Since Bronco brought it up a year or so back, we're already means testing medicare recipients so I don't think it would be an extra cost to do this, just bring in more revenue to help shore the program up.
 
WhiskyPriest said:
I really hope some of these responses are sarcastic. We can't seriously look at someone's "productivity" in society as the amount of money they make, or how much their medical bills cost. However, I am going to assume that the irony being used is in the line of Swift's "A Modest Proposal" until informed otherwise.
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Can you show me where I ever indicated that we should in any way limit seniors medical care? Or trying to establish their worth.

Do you care to debate the simple tenent I put forward that increased life spans equal greater amount of medical bills over time?

Note that I never, anywhere in this thread, advocated or called for limiting elderly care in any way, shape or form.
 
Stoked said:
Can you show me where I ever indicated that we should in any way limit seniors medical care? Or trying to establish their worth.

Do you care to debate the simple tenent I put forward that increased life spans equal greater amount of medical bills over time?

Note that I never, anywhere in this thread, advocated or called for limiting elderly care in any way, shape or form.
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Once you've popped a xanax, take a gander and realize that he was referring to my post. I think.
 
Stoked said:
The problem is getting enough people with that desire and ideas in at once. One man is never enough to really change Washington. Washington is set up that way. YOu need to vote in many epople with like minds and a desire to get things done. When it starts topping 150+ of people feeling that way then changes will start being legitimately discussed.

Until then they will continue to fall one by one.
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Until the old fat cat incumbent congressmen are out, there's no chance of anything getting done. That much is clear.
The average voter doesn't have the time or motivation to inform themselves about the issues and candidates at hand and so they vote for the incumbents simply because their name sounds familiar.

The other thing is, our state has such little say in Congress that the effectiviteness of my vote is a percent of a percent of a percent of a percent.
 
franklin said:
If nothing else, Paul Ryan would means test and take the subsidy away from the affluent, but for some reason, democrats have stonewalled the idea. It's perfect opportunity to effectively raise taxes on rich people and they're blocking it why?
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Most democrats, including Obama are on record as supporting means testing. Ryan's plan goes a bit beyond that.

I think the overall premise of his plan - cutting a subsidy check for an elderly person, sending them out into the free market system and then every thing else will take of every thing else without the recipient having to take on any additional expense - is flat out ludicrous.
 
northeast said:
I'd like my check now so I can make my own decisions how to best spend it.
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Me too! *Escalade with 24" rims at 32—dead from infected mosquito bite at 35*

Natural selection at it's finest. Quit trying so hard to keep people from killing themselves! On that note, if my car beeps at me one more time to put on my seat belt, I'm taking a sledge hammer to my dash!
 
candrew said:
Most democrats, including Obama are on record as supporting means testing. Ryan's plan goes a bit beyond that.

I think the overall premise of his plan - cutting a subsidy check for an elderly person, sending them out into the free market system and then every thing else will take of every thing else without the recipient having to take on any additional expense - is flat out ludicrous.
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So why aren't they putting a simple, two page bill forward and forcing republicans to put their money where their mouths are? I guess they view that as losing future leverage on the issue? Take away a subsidy/raise taxes on the rich is win-win, & that's exactly why it isn't getting done.
 
northeast, as a leftist I read your posts and cringe, and feel compelled to root for the right instead. My phone book has gotten zero rest, due to it being smashed against my face every time I come across another pile of dung you leave disguised in typed-form.
 
franklin said:
So why aren't they putting a simple, two page bill forward and forcing republicans to put their money where their mouths are? I guess they view that as losing future leverage on the issue? Take away a subsidy/raise taxes on the rich is win-win, & that's exactly why it isn't getting done.
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Right - but don't forget that when you eliminate someone via means testing in a plan like Medicare you're also eliminating the cost sharing benefit they make via premium payments (which I believe is applied akin to a progressive tax).

Not to mention it then becomes a plan for "poor people" - like Medicaid.
 
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