Anti-vaccination movement probably contributing to re-emergence of disease

[Qman]

Back to the vaccination topic:

All of the following numbers are made up, but the principles apply.

Here is the theory as to why you not getting a vaccination is dangerous for me. If we have a hypothetical vaccine X that is 80% effective and if everyone is administered the vaccine we population who will prevent an epidemic of disease X. If only 3/4 of the population take the vaccine we will have a population that is 60% immune. This means there are probably are enough people who can become infected to create an epidemic. So 15% of people who took the vaccine but it didn't work on get screwed by the people not taking the vaccine.

Of course people who are anti-vaccine are more likely to associate with people who are also anti-vaccine. So in reality the threshold for a epidemic is much lower.

Assuming the Autism/vaccine thing is truth (which I don't believe)-what percentage of children are you willing to let die (whooping cough etc.) to prevent a small percent of Autism?

In my opinion the costs of not vaccinating are much higher the potential costs of vaccinating.

 

[Scat]

Even Hitler knew in the 30's that flouride dumbed down people into being more submissive.

I already provided evidence that this is false.

 

[PearlWatson]

So did sanitation practices just take a horrible downturn? It is interesting how the incidence of such diseases increasing coincides with the anti-vaccine movement.

Increase in illegal immigration to Washington.

 

[TheSilencer1313]

I already provided evidence that this is false.

And I've provided evidence that it's absolutely not.

 

[TheSilencer1313]

And as far as Qman's long rant went.
Whooping cough?
Your kids will not get whooping cough if you feed them right, and infuse there body with nutrients through fruits and vegetables.

Any time your body gets sick, it's because your body doesn't have the necessary nutrients to fight it off.

Or..... you can also give them a vaccine, and munch on a bag of cheetos.
Should do the trick.

 

[Stoked]

And as far as Qman's long rant went.
Whooping cough?
Your kids will not get whooping cough if you feed them right, and infuse there body with nutrients through fruits and vegetables.

Any time your body gets sick, it's because your body doesn't have the necessary nutrients to fight it off.

Or..... you can also give them a vaccine, and munch on a bag of cheetos.
Should do the trick.

I think that is a rather narrow, naive view of "sickness". For a basic thing like the flu perhaps but not anything truly serious.

 

[TheSilencer1313]

I think that is a rather narrow, naive view of "sickness". For a basic thing like the flu perhaps but not anything truly serious.

You can say it's narrow all you want.
All disease and sickness is allowed to breed in the body because of nutrient deficiencies.
This is even understood by doctors, but they paid by the AMA to push worthless treatments like the standard for cancer.
There are natural cures for all diseases, but of course nobody can make money off of a cure you can't patent.

Vaccines are patented.

 

[Stoked]

So cancers and AIDS are because the body is laking a particular nutrient?

 

[Siro]

How can someone live in almost a complete fantasy fed by intentional ignorance and avoidance of relevant evidence and yet be functional in other regards?? How does the brain deal with such cognitive dissonance? Your points have been responded to, quite easily and conclusively, and yet you hold steadily to your "beliefs" without providing any reasonable justification (and no, paranoia over Hitler wanting to mind control the population is not reasonable). What makes conspiracy theorists so sure of themselves when faced with the massive evidence to the contrary provided by mainstream science even though they know VERY LITTLE about the subject. And they tell me I'm arrogant! For expecting a factual basis for opinions and beliefs!

 

[One Brow]

For one thing.... nobody KNOWS what causes anything.

To the degree that I know I am not a brain in a jar, we know that vaccines work.

It's always scientific and medical theory, and those so-called "scientific facts" change over the years.

We refine our understanding as our knowledge improves. That does not invalidate old knowledge.

Don't be surprised that in 30 years from now, everything you said will have a totally different stance according to the AMA.

I won't be surprised if they revise their stance on the precise health benefits of age. When it comes to germs causing diseases, there won't be a revision, because germs really do cause disease.

Oh by the way, here's a study Harvard did on flouride.

You didn't link to a study, you linked to some article interpreting a study conveniently.

Haha.... water isn't a "chemical" leftover from from metal smelting processes.

When you smelt aluminum by electrolysis, one of the by-products is water.

Even Hitler knew in the 30's that flouride dumbed down people into being more submissive.

Please present the list of subjects on which you recognize Hitler as an reliable authority for truth.

People are submissive, and do exactly what the government tells them, which is exactly the way they like it.

Mark Twain complained about the same thing, long before water was fluoridated.

Your kids will not get whooping cough if you feed them right, and infuse there body with nutrients through fruits and vegetables.

Said by a person in a culture where whooping cough is almost forgotten. Whooping cough used to kill everyone, no matter how well-fed they were.

Any time your body gets sick, it's because your body doesn't have the necessary nutrients to fight it off.

Wrong. Germs cause disease. If you fill your body with nutrients, the germs eat them, as well.

Or..... you can also give them a vaccine, and munch on a bag of cheetos.
Should do the trick.

The Cheerios don't improve or reduce your chance of getting whooping cough.

This is even understood by doctors, but they paid by the AMA to push worthless treatments like the standard for cancer.
There are natural cures for all diseases, but of course nobody can make money off of a cure you can't patent.

Only people like you would say doctors all over the planet are deliberately letting their relatives die from cancer rather than treating them. How much do you think they get paid, in order to watch their parents, spouses, siblings, and/or children die?

Vaccines are patented.

Patents expire.

 

[Siro]

You're wasting your breath. I provided links that answer every single objection with empirical data from numerous independent sources. It was not even acknowledged. What do you think is going to happen? He's going to suddenly realize that Mein Kampf should not be your primary source of knowledge on bio-chemistry?

 

[TheSilencer1313]

You guys are just your usual photo-typical establishment whores.
The only thing you guys even open your brains to is what the American Medical Association, and American Dental Association present on what they say is fact.

So I think it's the other way around..... I'm just wasting my breath.

And no, doctors don't intentionally watch their friends and families die.
Most doctors have no knowledge, or are so indoctrinated by the ivy league college they graduated from to accept any other form of medicine except western science/medicine.

In Susan Summers book "Knockout", she writes about how she cured her own cancer using all natural cures.
They gave her 6 months to a year to live, and said she should start radiation immediately.
She decided to get a second opinion from a non-drug/non-surgery doctor.
She would then go to the hospital to get her tumor checked out, and it was getting smaller, until the cancer was gone.
She had told the doctors the protocol she was following and the doctors said that the protocol could in no way contribute to the cancer subsiding.

This is your "A typical" establishment view where no other views could possiblely ever be accepted......
That is of course, unless it's said by the almighty AMA.

 

[TheSilencer1313]

And by the way, it's hard to find that Harvard flouride study on a reputable website. Because it pulls up on Reuters through google, but has since been conveniently deleted from their database.

 

[Hotdog]

I just read the whole thread. I would have to say the silencer got owned. Having said that, the silencer might be right to a certain extent. I won't pretend to know all the facts or what the truth is on this matter. I can however, give you my own personal experience and you can do what you want with it.

I have taken all the vaccines growing up and then at a point about 10 years ago, I stopped getting the flu shot because everytime I did I would end up with flu right after. Ever since I stopped taking the flu shot, I haven't had the flu since. That's the honest to god truth. I don't what that means. Maybe someone can tell me. All I know is I am not getting that shot ever again. Sorry, to those who think I am now spreading disease.

The other thing about what silencer is saying, about eating right has truth to it to. I haven't had even a mild cold in over 7 years, ever since I started eating as healthy as I can. I haven't ate at places like McDonald's in those 7 years. At the same time, I notice the same people who are always sick, have terrible eating habits, and sometimes combine that with other bad habits. Maybe I am just lucky. Who knows. I think there is something to it though. Also, I know that you can't just cure Cancer by eating healthy. But maybe you can prevent it.

Again, I am not a doctor or scientist. All I can go off of is personal experience.

 

[Siro]

You understand what you're saying, right? You're saying that there is a conspiracy that involves a large percentage of medical scientists a healthcare professionals (in addition to the bureaucracy) to actively suppress the evidence of your claims, while at the same time making up fake data that prove you wrong. Your proof is a century old book by a barely educated man and an anecdote. Do you understand how crazy that is?

What else do you believe in? Alien abductions and/or influence over human history? Ghosts and hauntings? A secret new world order? I'm serious. Do you believe in the whole package, like most conspiracy theorists?

Edit: This is addressed to TheSilencer.

 

[TheSilencer1313]

I've had the same experiences as Hack.
I got all the vaccines and everything as a child, and did everything the school system said I was supposed to do.

I can remember having some of the worst flus I've ever had after getting flu shots every year. I got sick probably 10 times more when I was getting fully vaccinated, then I ever do now.
I remember thinking to myself, "Why the hell would I pay 25 bucks just so someone can shoot me up with the flu?"

 

[Siro]

Yeah, I'm sure. It's like how I kept getting small pox like 20 times a year, then I stopped getting vaccinated and I stopped getting small pox! Oh wait, that's NOT how vaccinations work at all! I almost started talking out of *** for a minute there.

So, do you believe in the other stuff I mentioned?

 

[Scat]

Look, I'll be one of the first to agree that modern Western medicine doesn't have all the answers and that there are things in this world they have no clue about. That said, this thread was about vaccines. There is no evidence that vaccines actually cause autism and lots of evidence that they greatly reduce the occurrence of certain diseases.

Now if you want to get into cancer and other various maladies you should probably start a new thread.

 

[TheSilencer1313]

You understand what you're saying, right? You're saying that there is a conspiracy that involves a large percentage of medical scientists a healthcare professionals (in addition to the bureaucracy) to actively suppress the evidence of your claims, while at the same time making up fake data that prove you wrong. Your proof is a century old book by a barely educated man and an anecdote. Do you understand how crazy that is?

What else do you believe in? Alien abductions and/or influence over human history? Ghosts and hauntings? A secret new world order? I'm serious. Do you believe in the whole package, like most conspiracy theorists?

Edit: This is addressed to TheSilencer.

I'm sure we know who you're addressing.
I'm in no way saying there's a big conspiracy involving a large percentage of medical and "so-called" healthcare professionals.
Things are always compartmentalized.

But yes, just like in everything in the United States.....
There is a massive bureaucracy called the Food and Drug Administration that has been actively suppressing evidence of any kind, that might threaten the cancer industry and the drug companies.
It's always about the money, and all you have to do is follow the trail of green.

Lol. Those things aren't actually my proof, those are just a few things I mentioned.
In a censored world such as this one (and yes, even the internet is censored by google nowdays), you have to go out and actually do some book reading on the subject.

I originally woke up to these facts after reading books like "Knockout" by Susan Summers, and "Natural Cures: They Don't Want You To Know About" by Kevin Trudeau, and "The Miracle of Juice Fasting" by Paavo Airola.

Everything those books talked about have been proven to right in my life.
On cancer, all I can take is the word of non-drug/non-surgery medical professionals and survivors that have done it.

I'm not going to get into any kind of New World Order crap in this thread.
But the boys in the big government coined the phrase, not so-called conspiracy theorists.

 

[TheSilencer1313]

Yeah, I'm sure. It's like how I kept getting small pox like 20 times a year, then I stopped getting vaccinated and I stopped getting small pox! Oh wait, that's NOT how vaccinations work at all! I almost started talking out of *** for a minute there.

So, do you believe in the other stuff I mentioned?

Interesting how that's not how they work at all.
When that's exactly how they worked for me.

Watch a documentary called "Invisible Empire", and it explains everything about the so-called New World Order.
It shows the evidence from an objective standpoint, and encourages you to do your own research to refute that evidence.