pickledXgrandma
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I never get the credit I deserve damn it! If you guys were all my bitches, you'd be in the kitchen makin me sammiches and bringin me nattylights (except you wes)
Seeing AL Objectively - SLCdunk article
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I never get the credit I deserve damn it! If you guys were all my bitches, you'd be in the kitchen makin me sammiches and bringin me nattylights (except you wes)
Jefferson is responsible for most of Millsap's scoring efficiency. If Sap were the one double teamed, leaving Jefferson man to man post play, then Jefferson would shoot 60+ % & Sap <40%.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jyv2avqHs4
Play 1: Jefferson double teamed, allowing Millsap prime scoring position from the block.
Play 2: Jefferson assists to Millsap.
Play 3: Jefferson defers to Millsap's better position. Nice move & score by Sap, horrible help d by MIA.
Play 4: Jefferson double teamed with triple team coming after Sap gets the ball. Nice move by Millsap for a semi-off balance shot.
Play 5: Williams make an incredible pass. Sap layup. "& how much better does Deron Williams make Paul Millsap?"
Play 6: Designed play. Jefferson assists the lob layup.
Play 7: Deron Williams collapses 4 defenders in & assists Sap's layup.
Play 8: Right place right time. Jefferson screens for Sap cleanup.
Play 9: Good team execution. Sap layup.
Play 10: Over the top of PnR focus on D-Will, help defense can't leave Jefferson to cover Millsap, but he get's the stat.
Play 11: Jefferson & D-Will double teams allows Sap an open jumper.
Play 12: Millsap passes up a nice assisted jumper from Jefferson to drive & score.
Play 13: PnR with Jefferson leaves nobody to guard Sap. Open jumper again.
Play 14: Ilgauskus leaves Millsap on the baseline with the ball to double team Jefferson, leaving lane wide open for Millsap.
Play 15: Nice off ball read by Sap & assist by AK for easy layup.
Play 16: Poor defense leads to Millsap's man covering CJ, who passes to wide open Sap for a layup.
Play 17: Double team Williams, leaves Millsap wide open.
Play 18: Another wide open 3.
Play 19: Another 3. Nice shot.
Play 20: Hero
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jyv2avqHs4
Play 1: Jefferson double teamed, allowing Millsap prime scoring position from the block.
Play 2: Jefferson assists to Millsap.
Play 3: Jefferson defers to Millsap's better position. Nice move & score by Sap, horrible help d by MIA.
Play 4: Jefferson double teamed with triple team coming after Sap gets the ball. Nice move by Millsap for a semi-off balance shot.
Play 5: Williams make an incredible pass. Sap layup. "& how much better does Deron Williams make Paul Millsap?"
Play 6: Designed play. Jefferson assists the lob layup.
Play 7: Deron Williams collapses 4 defenders in & assists Sap's layup.
Play 8: Right place right time. Jefferson screens for Sap cleanup.
Play 9: Good team execution. Sap layup.
Play 10: Over the top of PnR focus on D-Will, help defense can't leave Jefferson to cover Millsap, but he get's the stat.
Play 11: Jefferson & D-Will double teams allows Sap an open jumper.
Play 12: Millsap passes up a nice assisted jumper from Jefferson to drive & score.
Play 13: PnR with Jefferson leaves nobody to guard Sap. Open jumper again.
Play 14: Ilgauskus leaves Millsap on the baseline with the ball to double team Jefferson, leaving lane wide open for Millsap.
Play 15: Nice off ball read by Sap & assist by AK for easy layup.
Play 16: Poor defense leads to Millsap's man covering CJ, who passes to wide open Sap for a layup.
Play 17: Double team Williams, leaves Millsap wide open.
Play 18: Another wide open 3.
Play 19: Another 3. Nice shot.
Play 20: Hero
NAOS
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We may have gone so far down the rabbit hole of the Jefferson-Millsap debate that it seems like the Millsap crowd might be arguing that he's capable of being the anchor of the offense. That's definitely not what I'm saying. Millsap is a great second option. Jefferson knows one way to play, and that's low left blockism. In other words, he, too, isn't fit to anchor an offense that has a chance of contending.
Not true. Look what happens when you surround Jefferson with quality players (such as Millsap) who can shoot & execute. Jefferson doesn't need the ball to be a highly effective weapon. Maximizing Jefferson to me would mean using him as a distraction so other players could get high % shots. The defense would be better suited to control transition too. But that requires players who are capable of scoring one on one, reading, & timing cuts & screens.
NAOS, you may remember me asking for Corbin to utilize this exact last play just prior to the SAS blowout.
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NAOS
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Not true. Look what happens when you surround Jefferson with quality players (such as Millsap) who can shoot & execute. Jefferson doesn't need the ball to be a highly effective weapon. Maximizing Jefferson to me would mean using him as a distraction so other players could get high % shots. The defense would be better suited to control transition too. But that requires players who are capable of scoring one on one, reading, & timing cuts & screens.
NAOS, you may remember me asking for Corbin to utilize this exact last play just prior to the SAS blowout.
I expect you to lead the ANTI-CORBIN crowd if our offense is as flat and one-dimensional as it was last year.
BTW, I don't expect someone to be blanketing Millsap when he's standing at the 3-pt line.
I also don't expect there to be precision game planning during the regular season, when they should just play the "let Al beat us" motif.
theNBAnerd
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i briefly thought about responding to each of those 20 plays and telling you how what you're seeing and what you're calling it don't exactly line up, but then i'm going to be in another point-for-point battle that lasts several pages. suffice it to say that there is a huge difference between actively double-teaming and just packing it in the paint. in plays 1, 4, 11, etc., they are not "double-teaming" al... their perimeter players (on both sides) are simply sagging in to create compression in the paint. calling some of those defensive formations "double-teams" is absolutely incorrect.
but that isn't even really why i've been on this summer-long paul>al tirade. i'm on this summer-long tirade because, in pretty all of those clips, paul is doing things that AL SIMPLY CANNOT DO. doesn't have the skill set. doesn't matter if paul (or derrick, or whoever) was getting quintuple-teamed, al doesn't have the versatile scoring ability, the moves, the willingness to go into traffic, or the knowledge to use his strength that paul has.
theNBAnerd
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it might sound like that's what i'm arguing, but it's not. i'm just simply pointing out that if al's possessions were divided up and given to paul, favors and hayward, our team offensive efficiency would actually go UP.
in paul's case, i think he's a unique player in a way that makes his exact quality hard to nail down. but no, he's not going to be the best player on a title team.
Pretty cumbersome expectations don't you think? Besides, you all call it trolling when I wear my emotions on my shoulder. You'll know the second I get frustrated with Corbin or anyone else's abilities. I aired enough anti-Corbin tirades after that 4 O.T. game where he refused to sub out exhausted players who looked like they had one foot in the grave.
That was only one of five & I doubt you're saying turning their backs to a player of Millsap's caliber is okay.
Are you saying it's as simple as not double teaming Al or what? That's deathwish strategy. Corbin would adjust the sets for top notch transition d too.
You're smart enough to post insightful posts. Why don't you?
Gyp Rosetti
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Thanks bro. You're one sexy bitch./
Having your way with the board grams, bro. Strong.
billyshelby
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Quantity of shots does not equate to being able to create shots. Sap has definitely increased his quantity of shots by increasing his role in the offense, not just working the glass like he did when he came into the league. He's got a nice step back, but his ability as a post option is very limited. That's fine next to Al, but lined up next to someone else who is limited in the post we'll have problems. Did you see what happened last year when Favors and Kanter were lined up together?