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Romney: genuinely pro-life?

Many people on the right have a hard time separating a person's private moral beliefs with their public legislative positions. The idea, I guess, is that if you oppose something you must do everything in your power to stop all people from doing it otherwise you're not really against it. That and the idea that everything that's legal is encouraged behavior.
 
I just think we've allowed this to become to black and white of an issue. I am generally pro-life, but I can accept exceptions. My pro-life slant is not based on religious beliefs but just that I believeone life is not to be taken by another, if at all possible.

Where I have a problem, for example, is in partial-birth abortions. I just can't fit into either pro-life or pro-choice the way they have been conveniently categorized. I'm neither.
 
I am personally pro life. I would push for any of my family to deliver the baby. If it truly gets to the point where kidney failure is going to happen then save the mother.

Having said that I am pro life personally, policy wise I am pro choice. I am against partial birth abortions (an abomination) and late term abortions.

So yes he seems pro life in that he advises a woman with potential dire health concerns to carry the child and give birth to it. Your example reinforces his stance of being pro life.

No I did not read the article. No links at work.
 
I am personally pro life. I would push for any of my family to deliver the baby. If it truly gets to the point where kidney failure is going to happen then save the mother.

Having said that I am pro life personally, policy wise I am pro choice. I am against partial birth abortions (an abomination) and late term abortions.

So yes he seems pro life in that he advises a woman with potential dire health concerns to carry the child and give birth to it. Your example reinforces his stance of being pro life.

No I did not read the article. No links at work.

The article was basically stories from a few people that knew Romney back in the day and didn't like him and told their stories. Their version of who they think he is, and how he deals with people, and why he would not be a good president. A one sided article, just like most of the others out there. This one just happens to be anti-Romney. A couple single moms and a feminist recount some bad experiences they had with Romney as their Bishop and Stake President.

I take many people's stories with a grain of salt in situations like this. People often will hear what they want to hear, and remember what they want to remember. There are always 2 sides to a situation and the truth of the situation is almost always somewhere in the middle. I don't know how many times I have had conversations with people thinking I am clear in my communication, and find out later they had a completely different understanding of what I said.

I do think these people truly feel this way about him. I also find that people looking to be offended will find something to offend them. People looking for good in people will also find it. The whole of a person will be somewhere in the middle with good and bad mixed in. Hopefully more good than bad. Sure, Romney found a way to offend or bother these people but it's also possible they would have found something to be offended about no matter what he said. Basically I am not changing my opinion of Romney based on an article based on reports of people that do not like Romney for one reason or another... but I will remember it to see how much of it rings true in what I see of him in his interactions with people and on the debates.
 
The article was basically stories from a few people that knew Romney back in the day and didn't like him and told their stories. Their version of who they think he is, and how he deals with people, and why he would not be a good president. A one sided article, just like most of the others out there. This one just happens to be anti-Romney. A couple single moms and a feminist recount some bad experiences they had with Romney as their Bishop and Stake President.

I take many people's stories with a grain of salt in situations like this. People often will hear what they want to hear, and remember what they want to remember. There are always 2 sides to a situation and the truth of the situation is almost always somewhere in the middle. I don't know how many times I have had conversations with people thinking I am clear in my communication, and find out later they had a completely different understanding of what I said.

I do think these people truly feel this way about him. I also find that people looking to be offended will find something to offend them. People looking for good in people will also find it. The whole of a person will be somewhere in the middle with good and bad mixed in. Hopefully more good than bad. Sure, Romney found a way to offend or bother these people but it's also possible they would have found something to be offended about no matter what he said. Basically I am not changing my opinion of Romney based on an article based on reports of people that do not like Romney for one reason or another... but I will remember it to see how much of it rings true in what I see of him in his interactions with people and on the debates.

Kind of what I figured.
 
Despite the Dems best efforts to paint ROmney as anti-women or some other such nonsense Romney is gaining ground.

https://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=94568F2D-91F7-45AE-8B4D-B43EF7C39E26

Some of the most recent polls and women are starting to shift to Romney. Yes Obama is ahead but a 6 point lead is hardly proof that women are against him. That shift shows that Obama and the Dems have wasted all that time and money.

Key note - this is mostly pre 2nd debate numbers. Will the beyond idiotic attack of "binders of women" hurt Romney with women? This week will tell.
 
The American people are more or less in agreement on abortion so why does this keep coming up other than the radical wing of the democratic party wishing for these disgusting partial birth abortions to become legal?
 
The American people are more or less in agreement on abortion so why does this keep coming up other than the radical wing of the democratic party wishing for these disgusting partial birth abortions to become legal?

You're joking, right? I'm not aware of any states with Democratic legislatures passing laws making abortions more available. It's the Republican ligislatures that have tried to restrict them.


As for "partial birth abortions", a lot of medical practices are disgusting, in one sense or another. Are people really saying that the abortion is legally acceptable as long as the fetus is killed in a different way?
 
You're joking, right? I'm not aware of any states with Democratic legislatures passing laws making abortions more available. It's the Republican ligislatures that have tried to restrict them.


As for "partial birth abortions", a lot of medical practices are disgusting, in one sense or another. Are people really saying that the abortion is legally acceptable as long as the fetus is killed in a different way?

Tell you what. Go out and pitch partial birth abortions and I think you will find that the large majority is against them.

I am pro abortion (policy wise) but say no to partial birth abortions. I think you will see abortion lose alot of support if you pitch partial birth.
 
You're joking, right? I'm not aware of any states with Democratic legislatures passing laws making abortions more available. It's the Republican ligislatures that have tried to restrict them.


As for "partial birth abortions", a lot of medical practices are disgusting, in one sense or another. Are people really saying that the abortion is legally acceptable as long as the fetus is killed in a different way?


The only people I see campaigning on abortion (and all women's rights issues) is the democratic party. It's a constant mantra of birth control, my body, & equal pay legislation. Maybe I'm naive to what the right is doing in central states because I haven't seen the opposite happening.
 
I am pro abortion (policy wise) but say no to partial birth abortions. I think you will see abortion lose alot of support if you pitch partial birth.

I agree that if you adopt Republican desdcriptions, it's hard to pitch liberal ideas. I acknowledge the reaction is tied to strong emotions. My point is that the objections to D&X procedures are emotional, but not rational and not sound law.
 
The only people I see campaigning on abortion (and all women's rights issues) is the democratic party.

I agree. The Democrats campaign on preserving women's access to abortion while little little action to expand it, the Republicans try to restrict access to abortion while not compaigning as strongly on it.
 
I agree that if you adopt Republican desdcriptions, it's hard to pitch liberal ideas. I acknowledge the reaction is tied to strong emotions. My point is that the objections to D&X procedures are emotional, but not rational and not sound law.

I'm sorry. I was unaware that "partial birth abortion" was a republican term.
 
Tell you what. Go out and pitch partial birth abortions and I think you will find that the large majority is against them.

I am pro abortion (policy wise) but say no to partial birth abortions. I think you will see abortion lose alot of support if you pitch partial birth.

I hate the term pro abortion. I can see why it's used, but it always sounds like someone prefers abortion.
I would rather no one do it, but who I am to judge someone, and their circumstances. Ill let God judge.
Someone should have the right to choose, but I hope they choose life.

Just my thoughts Stoked. Carry on.
 
I hate the term pro abortion. I can see why it's used, but it always sounds like someone prefers abortion.
I would rather no one do it, but who I am to judge someone, and their circumstances. Ill let God judge.
Someone should have the right to choose, but I hope they choose life.

Just my thoughts Stoked. Carry on.

Good insight.
 
I hate the term pro abortion. I can see why it's used, but it always sounds like someone prefers abortion.
I would rather no one do it, but who I am to judge someone, and their circumstances. Ill let God judge.
Someone should have the right to choose, but I hope they choose life.

Just my thoughts Stoked. Carry on.

The same person who should "judge" someone for raping their child, beating their child, or purposely killing their child because they are an inconvenience.
 
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